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Now is the time to unite , not divide. Any attempt to divide the conservative vote will assure Obama another 4 years. How ridiculous, it’s TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. Do the Libertarians really prefer 4 more oppressive years of Obama?Here is an Interesting Article that needs to be read with an open mind; http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=210390 Here is an excerpt from that article; There’s an interesting article on Fox Newsthis weekend that, if you’re a Libertarian (with a big or little ”L”) bears reading and careful consideration.
Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson almost certainly can’t win the presidential election this year. But his supporters claim he could determine who does.
Johnson, the former New Mexico governor who briefly and unsuccessfully competed for the Republican presidential nomination before joining the Libertarians, is polling barely above 5 percent nationwide.
History says that July and August numbers are notoriously unreliable in this regard. While Libertarian and other third-party candidates often poll around 5% in the summer, by the few weeks prior to the election most of the so-called supporters switch and in the end vote for one of the ”big two.” Breaking this mold is something the Libertarian party has tried to do for 40 years, without success.
The answer to the question ”why?” is found right at the end of the above article.
Johnson’s supporters argue that he’s not just a niche candidate. (Carla) Howell noted Johnson’s platform goes beyond decriminalizing marijuana and supporting same sex-marriage to include a balanced-budget plan.
Read that paragraph as many times as it takes until the light comes on.
Gary Johnson’s platform can’t ”go beyond” decriminalizing pot and supporting same-sex marriage and win. It must be founded upon and speak to the core issues facing the nation, which are the national debt, deficit spending generally, the unbridled growth of cost in medical care and education along with financial frauds of all sorts that have stripped the American people of their homes, jobs and wealth.
Marijuana decriminalization should be an adjunct in a national platform, not form the core of it. ”Gay marriage” is none of the government’s damn business; since Gary Johnson supports The Fair Tax he can’t even argue that it’s a civil right based on tax equality, since he would do away with the IRS and the Income Tax in the first place. Never mind the pesky little fact that the solution to one statist policy is not more statism; it is the removal of the government boot from people’s necks, not adding more boots to more necks! This is the ending statement from the article By a Libertarian ( read the entire article to see who) ; We as Libertarians have consigned ourselves to the fringe of political debate because of what we choose to place front-and-center in our campaigns. Any sort of analytical analysis would inescapably lead to the conclusion that when your party spokesperson says that our Presidential Candidate’s platform ”goes beyond” same-sex marriage and decriminalizing pot she should be instantaneously fired and replaced with someone who can and will make the forceful argument to candidates that these are not leading issues and if the party is going to back and support said candidates they need to align the core of their campaigns with what matters to Americans on the street.
Why don’t we unite behind Paul or Johnson? Simple they can’t carry the popular vote to a win against Obama at this time so unless you want a disastrous four more years by the Obama Administration go ahead and trash the election and vote for a third party that has exactly ZERO chance of winning at this time. Like I said before, the Libertarians need to infiltrate both major parties and change them to what you believe they should be. That is what the Tea Party is trying to do with the Republican Party, Change it back to it’s traditional Conservative Constitution defending roots.
I’m a libertarian voting GOP to try and buy some time. The possibility of a global currency collapse is very real. IF Romney is elected he’ll have to be pushed hard to the right every day. Like most pols he’ll probably respond to whoever makes the most noise. Gonna have to get LOUD folks!
I agree George.
Craig… if gays and pot are the only thing Johnson has to offer, then maybe you should take a closer look… the country is in the crapper… we have russian and communist china in the US for ”civil Unrest” … the imposter in chief is using our taxes to support the radicals to distroy our soviernity and bring in world government.to start a civil war.. and all that idiot has is gays and pot… gays have been around forever… pot has been around forever… tyranny has been around forever…BUT>>>ask yourself ….. which is worse, which would you want, legal pot, the gays right to marry, or to live under tyranny..
Hi Craig, The thing you refuse to admit, is this election cycle the Libertarians do not have enough support to win over Obama. What you say about the ideology behind the libertarian party is true. The real sad fact of the matter is most Americans don’t see that. I know you are pushing hard for your cause but until there is a much larger percentage of Libertarian Representatives in Congress the average person won’t get it and vote for a third party. We need strong public support for anti Obama and anti Democratic Socialist candidates to start reversing the trend towards a Marxist State they are forcing us down. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, the Libertarians do not have the STRENGTH IN NUMBER OF SUPPORTERS to defeat the Marxist threat. I agree that we need more people like Paul and Johnson in Congress to create a coalition to cut down the size of Federal Government by standing beside the real conservatives in all the other parties that have been too few to push anything like that through. There is strength in numbers, and that’s what we need to build on. If we don’t defeat Obama and the incumbent Democratic Socialists who are running this cycle, we probably will have a Country that has collapsed from their excesses, and I think that is the plan to destroy us.
Craig, true to the Tea Party Principles I have to ask you to research the Representatives first hand for yourself. You will be able to judge them from their long term Voting records and the bills they sponsored and co-sponsored or supported. Just remember that a few compromises do not invalidate a long term record of general conservatism. unfortunately since the public went to sleep compromise with socialism has been rampant. As far as slowing them down, we must do that until we can clean out the Congress, and that will take the next six or so elections. We also need to make a slow return to a Republic, slow and steady or there will be a tremendous backlash against our agenda just like we did against the Obama/Soros agenda.
I agree with your idea of voting for the candidates, BUT, only if they have enough popular support to defeat the Democratic/Socialists they are running against, and also if they have more support than the Democrats against the RINO’s. Actually the trend towards Socialism started more than 100 years ago with Friedrich Engles in 1848. He also edited the second and third volumes of Marx’s Das Kapital. If you wish to go further back in our History, the Democratic Party which is the oldest Party has always been promoting the idea of a massive all controlling Government. In regards to Cantor’s plan, The Obama Administration would not allow for any regulations to be cut and would enforce that decision through their control of the Senate. At this time all we are able to do is to block further damage where we can. You have to vett all the Candidates by their past records to see who you would want to vote for, and who is the most conservative. Remember there are no perfect choices out there in any party, so we have to pick the best we can by promoting those who hold closest to the Constitution and the precepts of the Republic. It will probably take as long to reverse the trend as it took to get to this point, but this point is the tipping point that will decide our futures as returning to the Republic with the Constitution as a guide, or being pushed kicking and screaming into the Marxist failure mode. While the rest of the world is waking up to the disaster of Socialism, we are being pushed down the road to it and we only have this election to start putting on the brakes.
Craig, you missed my point completely. All the candidates need to be fully vetted by their long term records and the ones with the most public support running against the Incumbent socialists need to be supported no matter which party they come from. We must stop the Marxist/Socialist threat, and we can’t do that by being divided or by waiting for later. It must be done now or we lose everything.
The real problem with that philosophy is that to do it leaves us with the Greater of the two evils, and increases the speed they will push us to Marxism. We must hold the line now, and do better in the 2014 elections to continue cleaning out the bad guys from Congress. Right after the 2012 elections is the perfect time to start major campaigns to promote individual candidates to run against the remaining incumbents for 2014 and 2016.
As you say, the Republican give us what the Democrats want just less of it, and that is why we must put real conservatives in the Republican Spots and try to get real conservatives into Democrat spots too. We partially missed the boat in the petitioning phase of the Primaries and only got a handful of conservatives on to the ballot, the most impressive one was bouncing Lugar. We need to hold the line and really work hard for the 2014 and 2016 elections to do ten times better that we have done so far. This mess can not be cleaned up overnight but if we don’t hold the line and start NOW we won’t have a chance the next time. If you can’t see that then God Bless you, you will be in fact promoting 4 more years for Obama and the Soros Agenda whether you mean to or not..
Problem is they WON’T do that!