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Hat In Ring posted an update in the group National News 7 months, 1 week ago
Say Goodbye To Your Tax Refunds If Obama Wins?
« Thread Started on Sept 26, 2012, 3:36pm »
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Obamacare will hurt the economy more than it will help. Even though healthcare should be available to all U.S. citizens a balanced program has to be created to care for people that can’t pay and getting health care providers compensated for their efforts to heal the uninsured. Obamacare won’t do this because Obamacare does not address the reasons for high medical care costs and will force the low wage workers to payout whatever expendable income they receive through their work or tax refunds into paying for extremely high medical insurance though the government. From my own vision of Obamacare I myself am under the impression the democrats are after the ”Tax Refunds” of low wage workers. Low wage workers get all their tax money paid out through the year back and they use this returned tax money to pay off bills, buy a little something extra for themselves which helps stimulate the economy.The tax Refund stimulus money is given out based on the knowlege that low wage workers spend their tax Refunds and the spending of the tax Refunds stimulates the economy. But the spending of the tax Refunds isn’t the only reason the economy is stimulated so the democrats handing out stimulus packages constantly won’t work. The fact of the matter is when Obamacare is enacted it will take away that small tax Refund stimulus to the economy every year which boosts business sales and manufacturing. The working poor won’t have that little extra income each year and they will have less to look forward to each year. Remember, busineses do not have to provide health care coverage. The busineses that do provide it is at the employees partial or full expense to attract quality workers. If Obamacare ”Forces” businesses to provide health care insurance for their employees we can say ”GOODBYE” to small business in the U.S. and hello to more super Wal Marts corporate box chain stores. Manufacturing will keep moving to foreign countries which of coarse Obama and the democrats want to get the U.S. to ”COMMUNISM”. In my own opinion the democratic communists are not going to raise taxes, ”THE DEMOCRATIC COMMUNISTS WILL STOP THE TAX REFUNDS”, Period! to the 50% of the U.S. population that get the tax Refunds every year to fund the massive government spending plans. After Obamacare is in full play the internal revenue service will start up with the penalties for non compliance with the ”You Must Have Insurance” law and the non payouts of a persons tax Refunds will begin. Remember, the penalty for non compliance is the withholding of tax money owed by the government to the tax payer. Soon after that the democrats will ”Make Up” some law for some reason to end tax returns and use the communist dictator commander in chief waivers to let the non working poor off the hook so to speak and that will strenghten the government health care system and destroy most of the insurance industry. The partial destruction of the insurance industry will create outragious insurance premiums for the people that can afford insurance. The people that can afford insurance won’t be able to afford it anymore and will be pushed into Obamacare. The dominos will fall into place.
Obama himself in his 2008 presidential campaign stated that defects in the medical information system was causing the extremely high healthcare costs but we all know now that this is ”B.S.” just to keep U.S. citizens away from the real cause of high healthcare costs which is in fact, ”Illegal Immigrants” flooding the emergency rooms. Of coarse the democrats and Obama don’t want U.S. citizens to know that illegal immigrants are driving up healthcare costs because the democrats, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are using the illegal and legal immigrants to build a large enough voting block to destroy the republicans and turn the U.S. to ”COMMUNISM”. Obama has already started using the presidential waivers to pick and choose who gets what and when like a frick’in communist dictator commander in chief. The big kicker is that illegal aliens will still be able to use the emergency room for their health care keeping the outragious medical costs up just so the democrats can grow their voting block (Most immigrants vote democratic when they become citizens). Who will keep paying for the medical care of illegal immigrants? Of coarse, the taxpayer will pay for 50 million illegal immigrants and whomever can sneak across the border. Obamacare doesn’t cover illegal immigrants but illegal immigrants can still use the emergency rooms. Who would need Obamacare if the illegal immigrants were gone and healthcare costs were affordable again? Who would need Obamacare if the hospital and corporate medical establishments were forced to quit piling on profit to feed all the stock holders who are in fact the hospital corporate executives?

If Obama wins, it’s my belief that we can say goodbye to our Country. GET OUT THE VOTE!!! We have to unite against Obama and all his crony’s in Congress and other levels of government who are up for reelection and we can’t afford to split the vote or we put Obama back in!!!
MC, yeah, gotta get all the conservatives out to vote. I’ve talked to some democrats on Facebook and they stated they will vote for the better of two evils which means they will vote for Romney. Some democrats I know personally are just going to stay home. Still we have to get every person we can out to cast a vote for Romney.
Good one, Craig, about Medicaid!!!!!
No it’s not a good one Lesley. What many people don’t know is the whole medical system is completely corrupt. The government run medicare and medicaid is mismanaged. Medicare and Medicaid are supposed to be the safety net for people that don’t make much money due to other depressing factors in the economy. A new safety net needs to be built wheather it be making changes in Medicare and Medicaid or developing a completely new system to handle the millions of people that can’t afford medical services.
Now this Craig guy thinks people should be left to die on the streets if they can’t afford health care services or competely go from proverty to thousands of dollars in debt. This is the way it was before 1989 when hospitals would take the people that didn’t have any money and dump them in a park. Yes, people were dumped if they could not pay. Now doctors charge up front and if you don’t have the $150 for a 5 minute appointment your screwed and have to go to the emergency room for a simple cut, bruise or just have a simple problem. Then there are over 50 million illegal immigrants that flood the emergency rooms to the point the hospitals charge $100,000 for a $3000 surgery. Some hospitals in the big cities that are located in areas where illegal immigrants consumed had to shut down because of the lack of paying patients.
Lesley, before you go and listen to somebody like Craig Sticker you need to get your facts straight about what is really happening. I am a hard core Tea Party conservative but this B.S. about letting people die in the streets because they can’t get medical care is going ”Way Overboard”. Craig Stickler is either a radical nut case or a democrat just posting here to discourage the conversation in a vain attempt to steer people towards Obamacare.
I’ve posted this message all over the internet and the only negative feedback I’ve gotten from thousands of readers in this Craig Stickler nut job. Everyone else agrees with my article and they are pissed off at the democrats.
Lesley, are you a democrat too!
No, I am not a Democrat and never have been, but the truth is that medicaid was designed for low income individuals that cannot afford medical care, was it not? Just because it has gone bad does not mean that it wasn’t designed for that. All of this makes me angry because next year I will have to be paying into Medicare and I am not going to be able to afford it. I don’t know what I will do. I will have to give up my phone, internet, TV, and don’t know what else yet just to make the outrageous payments so that someone else can get medical care. I might be 64, but I am in great health and don’t need any medications and only go to the doctor for wellness exams. So why is it fair that I have to sacrifice basic things in live just some lazy person can get whatever they want including Obama phones. It sucks.
Lesley, yes there are some people that don’t like to work and expect the government to fully support them because they are them. You’ll never ever get rid of them. These people will always be around and you can’t shoot them or put them into forced labor. Letting these people just die because they are worthless isnt’ a society that anyone wants to live in.
There are many people that are working and considered the working poor. These people make under $10.00 an hour and after rent, utilities, food, transportation and all the other misc. monthly expenses paying out a $150.00 a month insurance premium isn’t doable. The cost of living is just to high and employers are hiring cheap illegal immigrant labor and won’t pay that much for ditch digging, assembly line work, etc………. There’s millions of people working harder than you Lesley that are in poverty because of bad economic conditions concerning monthy living expenses.
The sentence I wrote is totally being blown out of proportion Lesley. You Lesley do sound like a troll democrat. Every democrat states ”Why Should I Have To Pay For Deadbeats”. That shows that you don’t have any compassion Lesley. Every Republican and true Tea Partier wants the safety net even if it means the poor get helped. My statement projects some compassion for the working poor and poor. My statement projects a cleanup of the medical system to get ”MEDICAL COSTS DOWN” before you democrats flooded the U.S. with millions of ”ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS” just so you democrats can build a large voting block to destroy the republicans.
No Lesley, I don’t think you are a conservative or republican. I think you Lesley Lawson are a democrat out working for Obama attacking people on the internet with Craig Strickler.
I think you are the troll. Only trolls make ridiculous comments like you. Leave me alone. I have the right to my opinion and statements without your attacks. I didn’t attack you. Go away! I am a true conservative and have been a republican all my life. You are an idiot.
Hat in the ring is perfect for someone to hide behind his real identity.!
Hat, Craig is a hard core Libertarian
MC, no matter what Craig is he does not have any compassion for people and he has no problem with people dying in the streets. Craig responded to the same post I made in another group and he was dead set against people receiving government paid care of any kind. The fact of the matter for any parties ideology is it’s just not acceptable to let people die because the libertarians support open borders and the flood of illegal immigrants coming over the border gettng free health care.
Can you see the B.S. MC? The Libertarians support open borders that let 50 million illegal aliens flood into the U.S. that is the cause of the blown up health care costs but don’t support them getting health care. Just let all the illegal immigrants die in the streets.
I don’t support illegal immigrants and I would send them back to wherever they came from in a blink but I don’t support people dying in the streets. It’s not the insurance companies that are milking U.S. citizens, it’s the medical corporations and hospitials that are bleeding the insurance companies.
Lesley Lawson, only a democrat would state, ” I’m Not Paying For Someone Elses Health Care With My Tax Dollars”. This is a typical democratic line to guilt people into supporting the wacko democratic cause.
You are a democrat Lesley. You are lying just like a typical democrat.
P.S Lesley Lawson, your tax dollars are not your money. Tax money is public money and the government has to protect the health and welfare of ”ALL U.S. CITIZENS” with the tax money they collect.
Lesley, I’d like to see you lose your health care and see how fast you change your warped mind when your savings start to dissappear after you get sick.
LESLEY LAWSON, Remember, you came to me and started posting your ”SICK SH_t” on a thread I started on MC’s wall. This is ”NOT” your thread and nobody asked you to come here and make posts in a conversation you are getting whooped in. You act like you have a problem with ”Command and Control” syndrome in places that just ”ARE NOT YOURS!” .
What argument can we use to convince them Craig?
Craig, you are just engaging in lies now and spitting out B.S like the democrats do to get people to beleive you.
You posted you sick ”Let Them Die In The Streets” message in the post I started in the ”NATIONAL NEWS” group owned by Tea Party Patriots..
Nothing was ever said by me about government being fair or efficient. I did state it’s the governments responsibility to use our tax money to ensure the heath and welfare of it’s people. Hey Bonehead Craig, This doesn’t mean Obamacare! Obamacare is ”NOT NEEDED” if the health care system we have is overhauled and the excessive patient overcharging is eliminated.
I did state many times it’s not the insurance companies that are causing the high health care costs. I did state it was the medical corporations, hospitals charging $100 grand for a $3000 routing surgery. I did state that illegal immigrants were causing hospital to do this then tacking on thousands of dollars more to stuff in their pockets.
The 1989 emergency room law was passed because of what I stated, ”People Were Dying In The Streets” because of lack of access to proper health care. Hospitals were dumping people out on the streets without giving them any care. This was a standard practise since the beginning of time.
Craig, your ideology is keeping you from any kind of intelligence mother nature gave people. Ideology is not intelligence, it’s a ”Burden”.
Are you being a smart arse Craig? Why does everything have to be an ideology nightmere? Does there have to be a theory if you even understand what the word theory is?
A theory is only an idea as to what may work based on known facts. Conserving ones cash and using it in ways to best serve ones purpose without waste isn’t a so called ”Theory” or ”Ideology”. It’s called being realistic or ”Realizism”. Hence, ”Conservatism”.