Gingrich/Romney race not a failure of Tea Party
December 11, 2011 at 2:55 pm in Blog by Steve Davies 283 Comments
By Mark Petrina
Jay Bookman published a blog claiming a Gingrich/Romney race represents failure of the tea party because they are both establishment politicians.
Bookman is wrong
Herman Cain was a Tea Party favorite who dropped out because of the dirty tricks of a corrupt, partisan media . Romney is a contender because the “Establishment” is still very powerful. The media is very powerful, but despises the Tea Party, so we are fighting on lots of fronts.
Gingrich, regardless of his baggage, is talking the Tea Party game more effectively and strongly than anybody else. He is the most aggressive anti-Obama, and has lots of appealing ideas. That is why he is leading. The movement is less than 3 years old, and presidential candidates don’t just appear overnight; we have to go with the people available.
Bookman is not only wrong, he is 180 degrees off: the Tea Party is displaying political maturity and discernment, as most of us would prefer someone else, but we are making do with the best available–and viable. Bookman’s position is pure spin, wishful thinking: we did stunning things in 2010, but suddenly we’re a failure because we haven’t succeeded in overcoming the decades-entrenched GOP Establishment? Whatever.
As a final note, the Ron Paul phenomenon should be addressed. If you are a Paul supporter, please read my comments in the good faith with which I offer them.
Ron Paul is the potential Ross Perot of 2012, and as such potentially dangerous. I do NOT think Ron Paul is the Tea Party answer; a reputable polling firm (Rasmussen or Gallup?) found that Paul gets less than 10% of Tea Party support. Ron Paul’ers magnify their apparent numbers by “flooding the zone,” whether in straw polls or blog threads. During debates, Paul seems uninterested in going after Obama, although he says a lot of damaging things, inappropriate for the forum, about the GOP. Although he is in the ideal position to look into the Fed, Paul has done nothing of substance; I must wonder if he’s not just another big-talking Establishment guy with a fabulous P.R. machine.
Defeating Obama is job 1. In my opinion, one of our big challenges will be preventing Ron Paul’ers from giving Obama a second term with their “Ron Paul or bust!” ideas.
I am absolutely amazed that Tea Party followers would support Newt Gingrich. His record, character, and overall disposition is not worthy to be president. The republican’s party main objective should be to defeat Obama. The democrats will have a field day with Newt Gingrich and many of his ideas are so outlandish, he will create more gridlock than ever before. Republicans need to stop being impressed by his debate performance and ability to cite historical facts and really more closely at his record substance of his ideas.
There’s only one candidate that can defeat Obama!
Vote for the only across the board TRUE conservative!
Bachmann 2012!!!
to most americans (particularly in the town of her birth) bachman has lost huge amounts of support. in all honesty ive lost all faith in conservative leadership because A) the leader of the free world should not be biased on treatment of other religons. being a “Christian and proud of it” (perry) alienates non christan americans, which is an affront to our founding fathers and america in general. B) Bachman cant even get support where she was born. C) Cain did have an affair and did attempt to sleep with a coworker. Clinton was impeached for the same thing (you can say its because he lied but honestly people would have hounded him anyway) so we cant allow that. D) Newt isnt better and literally did the same things clinton did while they were both in office, clinton apologized and we impeached him, if we are just and unbiased like america needs to be we cant have a double standard, thanks for readin folks
Freedom of religion is a basic right, and one of the reasons this great nation was founded. You are so right — no government official, at any level, should act with any religious bias, for or against.
You Are A true Patriot Russ Michelle Bachman is a great Choice Romney and gingrich are Both Rinos Gingrich also has Some Anti-American Views Same as are Current Leader
I am regretting ever going to a Tea Party meetupafter reading this blog, You people are [censored] nuts! If this is how your organization and members expect to get anything done, your wasting your time, I cant believe that your promoting the statius quo Neocons? you all look like fools whom can’t even agree on anything, totally self deating morons. X Tea Partier. I am sure this will be deleted since you are under their control, [censored]
Gary, I’m with you, these TP groups are controlled and trying to brainwash newcomers to the TP. The smaller local groups are the place to learn adn grow. True Patriots see through this control and are supporting RP. True justice will prevail!!
Seriously? Bachmann? She doesn’t have a chance at beating Obama. Why put your vote behind someone you know will loose? The same goes for Ron Paul. Mitt and/or Gingrich are toss ups and really not very impressive but are much more likely to do better than any of the others. The Tea Party would have done a much better service to the country had they banned together to get behind someone like Eric Cantor.
You have no true vision. Eric Cantor is part of the problem in Washington. The Tea Paties values are based on bi-partism conservatism. This country is in trouble and if “Tea Partyers” can’t understand that we are in trouble. Romney was and remains loyal to big business just look at his biggest donors. Gingrich was run out of office by his own party and claims to be the “Champion of Traditional Marrige” yet won’t comment at the last debate over his ex wife’s comments that he is a hypocrite when he defends marriages. Santorum is a homophob and claims to be pro life yet he condones the murder of 5 nuclear scientists in Iran, thAt guy is crazy! Which leves us Ron Paul. Dr.mPaul
Exemplifies everything the tea party Stan’s for yet for whatever reason the Tea Party doesn’t
Embrace him. His foreign policy is unique and I happen to agree with. Name three success stories that resulted from our foreign policies over the last 25 years. Dr Paul in 2008 was the only presidential candidate who told us that our economy was on the brink. McCain told us that the economy was in good shape and who did we elect As our Rep. Candidate the man with his head in the sand. Good choice. You want change vote for Dr Paul you want more of the same **** you have three steaming loads to choose from.
In my lifetime I have never found a candidate more engaging or riveting than Newt Gingrich. There has only been one other Republican I could stand to listen to and that was Ronald Regan. All of the attacks on Gingrich are gross generalities, too much baggage, erratic, blah blah blah. Every criticism is exaggerated hyperbole intended to bring down a threat to the status quo. He is attacked from both sides because he speaks the truth and he is effective. He is attacked by establishment republicans because he can’t be controlled and molded to protect their power. He is attacked by the left because he will change the world as they know it. He scares everyone – good its a scary world and we need him. If anyone has anything on Newt besides changing some positions throughout a thirty year career or his divorces I would love to hear it. And don’t talk about money from Freddie or Fannie. He was a well paid consultant. He is a brilliant man as far as I can tell and unless there was anything illegal about his consultancy work than name something of substance. The only thing I hate more than liberal democrats are clueless republicans. I don’t expect democrats to to have a clue, I do expect republicans to have a clue.
Bob, excellent statement and I agree with you 100%! Please, if you could spend alittle time posting all over the web!!!
Bob, You are spot on. Newt has got to save our Country he’s the only one who can. I live in Montana, we will vote ( R )! I also live in the “greenest’ part of the state Missoula, but dont write us off. I talk to alot of people and just like the rest of the Country, people are very up-set with O’Bama.
GO KEYSTONE , Sharon
Let there be no mistake. Newt can’t save our country, not by himself anyway. He repeats that in all his speeches. He says WE can save the country. He is going to need a republican congress and an active citizenry to turn around decades of moral, judicial and cultural decay. His ideas are big, far reaching, and will come with considerable resistance. How much do you think the lawyer class is going to like having the current speech dictators in robes held accountable for their anti-American positions.
Returning the country to constitutional principles of small government, free markets, individual responsibility, fiscal health, peace and prosperity needs someone who at a minimum thinks on this scale. All i see from the other candidates is bickering over who is the most conservative. We have the deer in headlights – Romney, the grand-unification-theory zealot Ron Paul who believes all problems can be solved if left alone, the demagogue Bachman who will take any tidbit she can find to use out of context to attach Gingrich with, Rick Perry and Santorum – not quite ready for prime time.
It is my sincerest belief that we are at a crossroads of American history where we will decide if we are going to decline in to a European styled entitlement state or we will surge in to a new era of prosperity behind zero capital gains tax, 100% expensing of capital equipment, no money for doing nothing – unemployment tied to work training. a president, congress, and people committed to American exceptionalism. Newt can’t do it alone get on board or at least spend a little time with him on youtube or check out the 21st century contract with America.
To save this country is not for the timid. If I’m not mistaken that was what the Tea party is all about.
What we need is new candidates. They all stink as far as I am concerned, Why don’t we push for new candidates?
I support newt. If you want to be angry at someone about the freddie mac situation, place your anger where it is deserved. the execs at freddie mac. their salaries overshadow what they paid newt. 1.6 mil over a 6 year period is 260,000 a year. newt twisted no arms to get that job. they came to him.
and I guess you believe Newt took that job as a historian? Lets see…we vote for Presidents because of race…how elegant they speak…how cute they look…how well they debate…because the media knows best….but not because of moral issues or policy’s or how well they follow the rules of the Constitution cause that’s to radical these days. Our country is in BIG trouble!
Bob you are so wrong Newt is a inside Washington guy no gets paid the kind of money he got if they don’t sell their influence he was a lobbyist. Check his record and you will see that from his personal life Thur his terms in Washington he is what us real Tea party members have been fighting against. We must stand strong for our principles and not be CO-OPTED like some of the folks we sent to Washington this past election.If not we are no better than those we opposed.
You can keep Newt and his want for big government Singapore style drug testing laws (guilty until urine tested). Youtube: Gingrich Singapore
We need a true conservative who has stood their ground and been consistent. Newt is not that guy. You are just getting more of the same and this country must make a statement that we are going back to our core values. That is what the American people want and need to defeat what we are all up against now and in the near future. Someone who is going to go toe to toe with anyone who does something that is not in the interest of this country. Rick Santorum is that guy.
Ever watch the movie “Tin man” with Danny Devito, that’s Newt…he will say anything or do anything to make the sale, lie, cheat and dump you overboard. The man is incapable of running this country. How do you elect someone who had 83 ethics violations while speaker of the house and was fined $300K. Mitt Romney, Michelle Bachmann, Rick Santorum, Jon Huntsman, Ron Paul and Rick Perry at least have integrity, are honest, and trustworthy. They are not perfect but i would vote for anyone of them before Gingrich. He belongs on the top ten list of crooks and liars.
Newt’s ethics vioation – he taught a history class. Why do you think he was sanctioned on a trivial technicality. They threw everything they could at him because he was the only politician in our lifetime to cut spending, reform welfare, and lower taxes. He had to be destroyed. It truly is a tragedy, that in our greatest hour of need, when we are at the brink of collapse the only politician with the vision, policies, and experience to do what needs to be done will be marginalized by a smear campaign of half truths and deception. God help us.
Bob, I agree with you. I think the reason for all of the “hoop-la” regarding Newt is due to the fact that he legitimately “scares the pants” off of the leftists. And to be honest, I don’t understand any TEA party member endorsing Mitt Romney. He does not represent true core conservative values. Those TEA party members who are currently supporting this guy should stop thinking about backing who they think is the candidate the media and the establishment would like to see as the “chosen” republican and go back to supporting a true conservative, like Newt. To me, Mitt Romney represents “Obama-lite”. We can’t go down this road. If faced with no other alternative, I will “hold my nose” and vote for Mitt, but, if at all possible, I want to cast my vote for a real conservative.
Bob you must be very young to be sucked into the BS of Gincrinch he will say anything to make you feel good. he will baffle you with big words. yes he is smart , however he is a politician .period. how could any Patriot support a man that left his wife and Family because, “she is not pretty enough to be the Presidents wife”
This election has revealed to me a disturbing truth. We have the governmentwe we deserve because Republicans are just not terribly bright. They sat out the last election resulting in an Obama victory and now pick at our greatest hope, Newt. He’s a politician so that disqualifies him? Are you kidding me? I’m a supporter so I must be young? I was in my thirties when Newt ushered in the first republican majority with the contract with America, balanced the budget, and reformed welfare. We are lucky he is putting up with the crap people dream up to throw at him. If Newt doesn’t get the nomination I’ll hold my nose for Romney but only if the party changes its name to the Goober Party.
thanks Bob for saying thinks like they should be said. Newt is very capable man that gets our message and I do think he realizes the importance of conservatism……We need to back him and soon or again the choice will be made for us again.
If you like obamacare Mitt is your man……no matter what he says he will let it slide thru the cracks you know the sleazy way
I’m going to be as respectful as possible in my comments here. I hope that no one is too offended by what I say. But how is everyone so blind??? Newt is clearly a racist and a bigot and as such doesn’t deserve the honor of being President. Ron Paul has some great ideas on reducing the debt and being more fiscally conservative, his only real problem is his stance on defense, which would leave this country in as bad or worse condition then it already is. Rick Santorum is also a closed minded bigot, but still better than Newt!! Mitt, is the only one in the race now who has real governing experience also the only one who has private industry experience as well. He is the only one that is able to sway left leaning voters and as I have read the previous comments electability is a shared and huge concern. Let’s face the facts no one has a better chance of beating Obama than Mitt. He may not be the most conservative candidate, but he is a conservative….. If Newt does win the nomination it’s because people are too short sided and narrow minded to look at the bigger picture. Which is to repeal Obama care, to reduce unemployment, and to reduce government. Not to mention someone with a not so messy history, Newt has been sanctioned, divorced twice, had extra marital affairs. Come on this man at the very least is unethical!!
BRAVO BOB ,I COULDN’T HAVE SAID IT BETTER
Take a look at Jon Huntsman. He’s the president this country needs right now on almost all counts. First, he’s by far the most qualified and knowledgable on foreign affairs. His vision there is superior to any other candidate running. Second, his economic plan plan follows the conservative platform of cutting taxes and goal oriented government spending (follows the Ryan Plan). Third, his position on immigration is both compassionate but just (very similar to Gingrich’s). Fourth, he’s against No Child Left Behind (extremely damaging educational policy). On top of all this, he has the track record to prove it. He has the eloquence that can speak with sophisticated dignitaries world wide, yet the humility and down-to-earth charisma that relates well with common folk like me. His language is carefully placed avoiding being corned making it possible for him to lead both parties of government when he’s nominated. I see him as a great President of the United States. That’s who I’d place my bets on to beat Obama.
Rog… the Dem’s will have a field day with any candidate. No matter which one is selected, in the end the dem’s will do what dem’s do… demonize and demean with lies.
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Newt has no skeletons with dozens of books published and an open public record. His progression shows a person learning and growing. To grow you make mistakes, correct, move on.. We all do it..
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There is no perfection. Each candidate has their upside and down side. Newt’s open about his past and present viewpoints. Mine are not the same at 60 as they were at 40, same goes for most folk as they experience the challenges of life.
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So the dem’s will attack anyone… our question to answer is.. which candidate is BEST at turning the attacks into advantages.. None better than Newt at taking a shot and responding to the advantage of conservatives.
Thank you Nora you have said it they way it is. How do the Democrats figure that Obama can beat Newt. They would love to debate Romney because he is an establishment Republican and the current establishment are not fighters.
Hi Dolores,
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Don’t fall for the hype.. Though I think Newt best, most of the candidates can beat Obama.
Just because Newt’s “skeletons” are already public knowledge, doesn’t mean they can or should be ignored by rational voters. I like many of Newt’s ideas and his cantankerous attitude towards the media, but there is no question that he’s a volatile commodity, and his comments regarding Bain Capital and progressivism display a disturbing lack of core economic principle. His tax cut ideas are simply a case of “my cuts are bigger than your cuts”, and actually give away lots of already accrued tax liability. We need tax cuts that encourage recognition of taxes — (i.e. create more tax payments because it would be cheaper to pay them now). Finally, I think he disqualified himself by sitting on the sidelines since leaving Congress. He could have run for Governor of Georgia or moved someplace and become mayor of a large city, in order to establish his cred. as an executive. Obama, Ford, & Johnson, IMHO, all were below average Presidents because all of their governmental experience was from the legislature.
I believe that it is very important to be Obama in 2012. I don’t think that it is a Democrat/Republican issue as much as it is a Progressive/Non-Progressive issue. Progressives have been working within both political parties for a very long time and we need to get fresh new blood in Washington. That’s what we all liked so much about Mr Cain. Many politicians don’t know they promote progressive idea’s or call themselves progressive, but they have evolved as progressive in their thinking and legislation. That’s the very objective of getting rid of career politicians. Gingridge and Rommney are both career politicians and have forwarded the progressive agenda. The three non progressive candidates are Paul, Santorum and Bachmann. We need new thinking in Washington not throw backs to the past. While Gingridge and Rommney both have good ideas I don’t believe they are good choices to lead us forward. Obama is the merely the head, right now, of the progressive movement, but it’s the tail of the (progressive) snake that drives the head forward. I have not made my choice of candidate as of yet but it will be either Paul, Santorum or Bachmann. We need Gingridge and Rommney to help guide us but not lead us with their progressive influence. Paul is at best a one term President but would be a good choice in setting us on a new course….while we put in place a new House and Senate. I don’t agree with everything each of them believe in but I believe that Paul, Santorum and Bachmann will lead us into some very hard choices that we are going to have to make, it will be the new Congress and Senate that have to lead us through. I believe that these three will surround themselves with people that will help us through and into the future of this most fantastic and exceptional nation.
I agree with you John. I’m for Bachmann, Santorum, and lastly Paul in that order.
Mr. Gentry — Saying that Mitt Romney is a career politician displays a lack of knowledge or level of ignorance that is disturbing. You might want to do a bit more direct research about the man, and not take talking points from Newt or some other kook, who knows possibly less than you do. Here’s an idea, why not read Mitt’s book? You won’t agree with all his positions, but you will find out that this man is possibly the MOST accomplished man to ever run for president, and deserves our respect, if not our vote for president.
People sticking their heads in the sand and acting as if Gingrich, or Romney either one are conservative is insane. They will give us the same government we have now. They in no way share tea party values, so whats up???? Is the tea party going the same way as the phony republican party? Preach one thing then do exactly the opposite when in office.
The person that wrote the above article is either in denial, or the biggest hypocrite bigot on the web.
Marginalization of Ron Paul is insane, the tea party was borne from his decades long crusade.
I see that many republicans and democrats are more loyal to their corrupt anti american garbage political parties than they are the nation. They support candidates just solely on political affiliation rather than REAL IDEAS.
When it comes to substance and consistency, decade after decade, Ron Paul has no competition. If you people care about the great nation of The United States of America, get behind Ron Paul and restore America now!!!
DITTO! Gingrich is a progressive–pure and simple. He loves FDR–and thinks he’s the greatest priesident in the 20th century. Wake up, tea party—Neut is not the man. Stand by your principles!
Terry, I totally agree with you. This is insane that the Tea Party (running on the very principles Ron Paul has been advocating for decades) has chosen Newt Gringrich to run against Obama? They are ONE in the SAME! Our goal should be the restoration of constitutionally limited government, not just to get Obama out!? We need to do BOTH.
If everyone would just pull their heads out of the republican beach sand and realize that Ron Paul would not only get a fair share of true conservatives, he would also pull from Obama’s anti-war, civil rights, anti-drug war base. Ron Paul could pull it off and no other. We need the independent vote and the middle-Left to beat Obama and restore liberty.
Republicans WILL NOT be able to defeat Obama with a strong republican base alone. And by choosing Romney or Gingrich will be doing just that. You need to attract independents and they are not very impressed with the current republican warmongering, bloated government, do-nothing party.
You want change, then CHANGE for God’s sake and stop drinking the Republican kool-aid!
Read the damn Constitution and tell me where Ron Paul is wrong!
You won’t…
Tea Party and others only seem to want a partially conservative and one that follows only the parts of the Constitution they want…any more and they are to radical. Ron Paul fights for “We The People” not “We The Corporations” and all the other candidates and organizations rely on their money…Paul won’t take it…can’t be bought…so this is why they ignore him.
I’m surprised that you’re surprised that Tea Partiers would support Gingrich. I believe the Tea Partiers will support whoever the GOP nominates because that will be “the best game in town”. Gingrich is far from my first choice, too. But, we have to work with what we’ve got until we can educate more voters. I would like to see Michele Bachman get the nomination. We need to support her right now. She has always stood up for Tea Party Principles and NOT BACKED DOWN. She’s got a lot of grit and guts, which this country needs. She is a “Dark Horse” right now, but whty don’t we get behind her? Someone said she needs more seasoning. I consider that baloney! The only kind of seasoning they get in politics is “how to join the DC In-Crowd” and forget why they went to Washington in the first place. Life and all that she has experienced before and after her role in congress have given her all the “Seasoning” she needs.
I’ve heard the comment that we don’t want her because she worked with the IRS, and on taxes. Who would be better suited to deal with the tax structure than someone who knows it from the inside. No one has stood up for the Tea Party an fully and consistantly as Bachman. Let’s bring this “Dark Horse” into the light and nominate her. I believe that the more a candidate is in contrast with Obama, the more likely he is to be defeated. Please think all of these comments over carefully and candidly share your ideas. Best Regards to All, Sharon Snyder
Well said Sharon. I support Bachmann 110%.
this type of thinking is what got us all where we are today I would rather sit on my hands on election than vote for the only game in town
Fool me once shame on you; fool me twice shame on me. I think comments are same only names have changed. It was only four years ago they told us that our only hope was McCain, not Romney. What has changed, nothing, establishment gave us Obama last election, now they are working hard and attending every show to make sure they will deliver the election to Obama.
You see they are above the law, profit from insider trading, get away with brib and murder. Why do you want anything to change.
They are having the time of their lives at our expense. Entire republican party does not give care if we all homeless.
We were on the right track in 2009, we need to group again and protest like we did then.
We need to walk out and sit home for a two weeks without pay. No taxes, no roads, no flights, nothing for two weeks. Brake their back or they will brake ours.
I am Praying to God you all see the way or we will never be free again.
The people telling you to support McCain back in 2008 were not the people who are now supporting Romney. You need to understand how Huckabee and McCain tag teamed, with the help of then Florida Gov. Charlie Crist. The Huckabee and Crist types are not telling you now to support Romney.
Thank you for bringing up how Romney was the victim of Mormon -haters and RINO’s at work in 2008. He is not the establishment guy–he’s the one guy whose had to work from the private sector to get things done.
WELL SAID QUEEN,
IN 2008 WE WENT TO THE POLLS ,HELD OUR NOSES AND PULLED THE LEVER TO VOTE FOR THE BEST OF THE WORST AND YOU KNOW HOW THAT WENT.I AM FEARFUL
THAT IT IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN.
You guys make me sick! The Tea Party was STARTED BECAUSE OF RON PAUL! Now you want to flip-flop back and fourth between canidates and go against everything that the Original Movement was all about. The Tea Party has been Hijacked! SHAME ON YOU ALL!
Tersea watch this you ain’t seen nothing yet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdCcGWX2SuU&feature=related
I am not a Romney fan, however, your posted video shows exactly the same thing that the current Ron Paul supporters are doing in every online poll there is.
The tea party may have many Ron Paul supporters but it is much bigger and broader than Ron Paul. I would never vote for Ron Paul but I am a die-hard tea partier and many independents are tea partiers. You are definining the tea party far too narrowly.
Could not have said it better myself BRAVO
Ron Paul is a fine man, but he absolutely did not start the Tea Party movement. I was involved from the beginning and no politician had a hand in it. It was hard at first to even get Ron Paul supporters to join in. If there is anything that really bothers me about RP, it is the way his supporters create mythologies around him. That is the only similarity he shares with Obama, but it is disturbing on its own.
We do not need any more cults of personalities. We just need to vote for a candidate who will fight for the principles of Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government, Free Markets. Bachman, Santorum, and Paul would all do that, Romney might do so, Gingrich (who I once admired in the early 90′s) would only pay lip service to those principles. He has proven many times in recent years that he is a true Progressive Republican who believes in growing the power of government to “fix” things and “right wrongs”. That is the very last thing we need right now.
We need a president who will work tirelessly to unwind the structure of the Federal government that has been slowly built since the Roosevelt days, not someone who wants to keep piling on to the house of cards the Progressives have built.
You can’t be serious! Ron Paul did NOT start the Tea Party. The reason I got involved was because it was a grass-roots movement and NO politicians were involved.
Like everything else, once it took off, people tried to jump on the bandwagon.
Seems to me if you were going to hire someone to do a job you would like to see proven ability. What is more important? The idealogy or getting the country going again. We need a war general to fight a war. When the fight is over we can be complacent again, stay home, don’t vote, let the dems get the show again so they can continue giving the country away.
Daniel would you rather see the dems win it. Or win this way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdCcGWX2SuU&feature=related
Mormons are evil
Perry is my first choice. I’m jsut comfortable with the guy. Don’t ask me why.. I have an idea I want to float. It may be impossible but it’s an idea.. (Confusion to the enemy).. What would it take to create a primary challange to Obama? How do you get JOE MANCHIN, D. W.VA. in the race??? If the GOP “party guys” get their way, Romney will have the nomination. I can’t vote for him. (Yell all you want. I just can’t do it.) I could go along with Gingrich, but keeping a leash on him would be a BIG job.. Manchin could win his nomination. If that took place, we would win, too..
After learning more about Gingrich and Romney, as a Tea Partier, I cannot support either. I will support Bachman because she most esposes my values and beliefs. Why can’t the Tea Party get behind her? She was the most vocal in her support of us as a group from the beginning. We can run her like the Dems did Barack O? It would be a historic day when America has a woman as President. She is more then qualified and has a Constitutional background. We need to forget the “Will vote for….(fill in the blank) because they can beat Obama…” We need to unite behind the candidate that represents the Tea Party values. Like it or not there are only Bachman and Santorum that represent what Tea partiers stand for. Search your heart and ask your God who He wants you to support before casting your vote. Get on the phone today and support Bachman to show the GOP establishment it is not up to them to determine who the nominee is.
If Newt were to get the nomination, and I do not think he will, then the 2012 election will be about Newt not Obmam. The goal and focus needs to be on defeating Obmam. Obmam’s people will take Newt apart and bring up every dirty detail of his record and pass to the front line. Turning the election away from Obama and toward Newt.. You say even with his baggage! I fear that baggage. Where there is smoke there is fire. Newt is a time bomb. Now what if the election gets going and then out of the wood work comes more lady’s of the Newt’s pass!! More behavior unbecoming for a President…one that went after Clinton while doing the same poor behavior himself. And toward a very sick wife! On and on we go….You think the Obama people will not have a hay-day with Newt! We need a clean as we can get nomination. Will we get the perfect person..no. We have to work with the cards dealt. Not win a battle to only lose the War! We should be able to agree that it will be either Newt or Romney at this point. Bachmann has no hope of getting it..so will not even remark on her. Of the two up their that would give Obama a sure win it would be Backmann or Ron Paul. So with this being the case I would support Romney as the one most likely to win Obama in a general election. His record is clean..of trailer trash behavior like Newt. He looks like a President and he can take on Obama about the issues. The election can then be about Obama and his record. I understand some do not like Romney..he is not conservative enough! I say he can win Obama and that is conservative enough for me.
So if not a candidate like Newt, then just who? There is not George Washington or Ronald Reagan running for a most perfect candidate that is running currently, and we absolutely MUST, MUST beat Obama and the other Progressives in Congress, so who is a better person, candidate to vote for? Rob
You are amazed??? Hell, now I am really amazed that they would pick Newt and then Bachmann in 2nd place!!! She is a shoe if for 4 more years of Obama. Newt is time bomb that could lose to Obmam..indepentents call the election in the end and not sure Newt would do well with them. Then you really think he would do well with the womans vote? Ya a guy that steps out on a dying, sick wife..that shows class!!! Looks like they just want to give it to Obama! I was on the phone with this and I took note of what Cain said..”Remember we need someone that can win Obmam. Do not think that Obama can not win..he can.” People the ONLY one that can and will win Obmam is Romney..period. If Newt gets this, the election will be all about him..baggage to fill up a truck! Baggage will come out of the wood work and Obama will get his 4 more years. Is Romney a 100%..great pick. No…who is? But is the goal, like Cain said, to win Obmam or just make a one time statement that goes nowhere? My values Will not allow me to vote for a dirt bag that disrespects women and the values of marriage.
This is Absolutely Maddening! LOL! This poll just “confirms” what most TRUE Tea Party “Members” already knew. The Tea Party has been “hijacked” by the Republican Establishment in Washington through organizations like the “Tea party patriots”.
Ron Paul has always been “The Godfather of the Tea Party Movement”, and yet he manages just 3%! What a sad, sick JOKE to “play” on people who began this Movement in 2008. It’s sad, but the TRUE Tea Party Members are already standing with Dr. Paul. By voting for the “self-proclaimed” Moderate Republican “Insider”, Newt Gingrich, with 31% of the vote, you just gave it away that this is an “Establishment” TAKE OVER of the Movement.
Have to agree with Rog Seed. Gingrich is a polar opposite of what the Tea Party movement (has given the impression that it) stands for. He’s the prototype corrupt Washington insider – so bad in fact, that the other corrupt Washington insiders kicked him out of Congress. His record is one of unbridled government expansion and wild drunken spending. He’s played a key role in the legal destruction of marriage and collapse of Constitutional rule. This is a guy who’s helping to destroy Western civilization through his own greed and corruption. He’s not just as bad as Obama, he’s worse. With Obama – we all know that we have to fight the agenda. Gingrich fools some people into thinking he’s a Constitutional conservative – and that weakens the battle.
Roger,
Your statement borders on slander for it is just not factual – state your opinion by all means but try to be fair – if you need to take shots how about directing them at the Obama machine?
We TPM people need to stop eating our own – 1st Cain, then Newt, then Paul, who is next to be attacked by our own when we leave Obama alone – what are we thinking?
I totally agree that Gingrich would be a disaster
LOOK Closely at Mitt Romney he has integrity and he is a conservative that was stuck in MA with liberals.
I respect your position, I understand your concerns / fears. You know that if you vote for Mitt you are telling the Republican Establishment implicitly a whole bunch of no nos…
Let me explain.
Mitt is PRO IRS – This means he believes because he was born rich and created allot of Jobs, people iike him are allowed to get a 15% tax rate. While future entreprenueurs like me, making 140k cannot even start a family in New York becaue I do not even have an estate yet to support a family. But since I am a slave to this corporate system until I ma financially independent, Mitt has no problem with me putting up 35-45% of my Income every year to pay for goverment.
IF you vote for Mitt, you vote to keep an unfair IRS over all of our heads. Maybe you get all your income from Capitol Gains at a lower rate as well. I am here to restore power to the individual., Which puts everyone on the same tax boat. Some will create jobs and some wont, but you will not be punished to create jobs.
I cannot ever support any individual candidate that loves and protects the IRS.
Patriots,
This letter tells why I believe in Mitt Romney. Read it carefully.
December 30, 2011
Dear Conservative Friends:
We hail from a broad spectrum of organizations dedicated to fighting for the pro-family agenda in Massachusetts. As you know, Mitt Romney served as the governor of our state from January 2, 2003 to January 3, 2007. During that time, we worked closely with him and his excellent staff on that agenda.
Some press accounts and bloggers have described Governor Romney in terms we neither have observed nor can we accept. To the contrary, we, who have been fighting here for the values you also hold, are indebted to him and his responsive staff in demonstrating solid social conservative credentials by undertaking the following actions here in Massachusetts. The following is not an endorsement of Governor Romney but our account of the facts to set the record straight.
Staunchly defended traditional marriage. Governor Romney immediately and strongly condemned the November 18, 2003 Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court (SJC) decision that legalized “same-sex marriage” in our state. More importantly, he followed up on that denunciation with action – action that saved our nation from a constitutional crisis over the definition of marriage. He and his staff identified and enforced a little-known 1913 law that allowed them to order local clerks not to issue marriage licenses to out-of-state couples. Absent this action, homosexual couples would surely have flooded into Massachusetts from other states to get “married” and then demanded that their home states recognize the “marriages,” putting the nation only one court decision away from nationalizing “same-sex marriage.”
We do not agree with the claims that Gov. Romney had bogus Party A and Party B marriage licenses printed and ordered Justices of the Peace and Town Clerks to perform same-sex “marriages” when asked or be fired. As May 17, 2004 (the SJC’s declaratory judgment date) approached, the Governor’s Office of Legal Counsel issued provisional advisory instructions to the justices of the peace and prepared revised license applications. These executive actions did not result in the issuance of marriage licenses to same-sex couples before May 17. The new policies were carried out only after and as a direct result of the judiciary’s final action in Goodridge on May 17. They did not generate same-sex marriages; that responsibility falls squarely on the shoulders of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court.
We do not agree with the claims that Gov. Romney issued marriage licenses to same-sex couples. The governor does not issue marriage licenses in Massachusetts. Only the town clerks can do that. But the governor can issue one-day justice of the peace authorizations to an individual who wants to perform a marriage ceremony but is not a licensed minister, town clerk or justice of the peace. The governor’s office issues thousands of those in a four year term with the only criteria being that the individual doing the ceremony is in good standing and the parties getting married have a valid marriage license.
Worked hard to overturn “same-sex marriage” in the Commonwealth with substantial results. In 2004 he lobbied hard, before a very hostile legislature, for a constitutional amendment protecting marriage – an amendment later changed by the legislature to include civil unions, which the Governor and many marriage amendment supporters opposed. Working with the Governor, we were successful in defeating this amendment.
Provided strong, active support for a record-setting citizen petition drive in 2005 to advance a clean constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman. The petition drive collected the largest number of signatures in Massachusetts history.
Rallied thousands of citizens around the state to focus public and media attention on the failure of legislators, through repeated delays, to perform their constitutional obligation and vote on the marriage amendment. In November of 2006, Gov. Romney held the largest State House rally in Massachusetts history with over 7000 supporters of traditional marriage.
Filed suit before the Supreme Judicial Court asking the court to clarify the legislators’ duty to vote and failing that, to place the amendment on the 2008 ballot. That lawsuit, perhaps more than any other single action, was by all accounts instrumental in bringing the ultimate pressure on the legislators to vote. The SJC unanimously ruled that the Legislature must vote and the historic vote was taken on January 2, 2007 winning legislative support. This cleared a major hurdle in the three year effort to restore traditional marriage in the Commonwealth.
Fought for abstinence education. In 2006, under Governor Romney’s leadership, Massachusetts’ public schools began to offer a classroom program on abstinence from the faith-based Boston group Healthy Futures to middle school students. Promoting the program, Governor Romney stated, “I’ve never had anyone complain to me that their kids are not learning enough about sex in school. However, a number of people have asked me why it is that we do not speak more about abstinence as a safe and preventative health practice.”
Affirmed the culture of life. Governor Romney vetoed bills to provide access to the so-called “morning-after pill,” which is an abortifacient, as well as a bill providing for expansive, embryo-destroying stem cell research. He vetoed the latter bill in 2005 because he could not “in good conscience allow this bill to become law.”
We do not agree with the claims that Gov. Romney is responsible for tax payer funded abortion under the Massachusetts health care system. That blame lies solely on the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court who ruled in 1981 that the Massachusetts Constitution required payment for abortions for Medicaid-eligible women. In 1997, the Court reaffirmed its position that a state-subsidized plan must offer “medically necessary abortions.”
Stood for religious freedom. Governor Romney was stalwart in defense of the right of Catholic Charities of Boston to refuse to allow homosexual couples to adopt children in its care. Catholic Charities was loudly accused of “discrimination,” but Governor Romney correctly pointed out that it is unjust to force a religious agency to violate the tenets of its faith in order to placate a special-interest group.
Filed “An Act Protecting Religious Freedom” in the Massachusetts legislature to save Catholic Charities of Boston and other religious groups from being forced to violate their moral principles or stop doing important charitable work.
All of this may explain why John J. Miller, the national political reporter of National Review, wrote that “a good case can be made that Romney has fought harder for social conservatives than any other governor in America, and it is difficult to imagine his doing so in a more daunting political environment.”
We are aware of the 1994 comments of Senate candidate Romney, which have been the subject of much recent discussion. While they are, taken by themselves, obviously worrisome to social conservatives including ourselves, they do not dovetail with the actions of Governor Romney from 2003 until now – and those actions have positively and demonstrably impacted the social climate of Massachusetts.
Since well before 2003, we have been laboring in the trenches of Massachusetts, fighting for the family values you and we share. It is difficult work indeed – not for the faint of heart. In this challenging environment, Governor Romney has proven that he shares our values, as well as our determination to protect them.
For four years, Governor Romney was right there beside us, providing leadership on key issues – whether it was politically expedient to do so or not. He has stood on principle, and we have benefited greatly from having him with us.
It is clear that Governor Romney has learned much since 1994 – to the benefit of our movement and our Commonwealth. In fact, the entire nation has benefited from his socially conservative, pro-family actions in office. As we explained earlier, his leadership on the marriage issue helped prevent our nation from being plunged into even worse legal turmoil following the court decision that forced “gay marriage” upon our Commonwealth.
For that our country ought to be thankful. We certainly are.
Sincerely,
Rita Covelle
President, Morality in Media Massachusetts
Gerald D. D’Avolio
Former Executive Director, Massachusetts Catholic Conference
Raymond L. Flynn
Former U.S. Ambassador to the Holy See
Professor Mary Ann Glendon
Harvard Law School
Former U.S. Ambassador to the Holy See
Kristian Mineau
President, Massachusetts Family Institute
Dr. Roberto Miranda
COPAHNI Fellowship of Hispanic Pastors of New England
James F. Morgan
Chairman, Institute for Family Development
Joseph Reilly
Former Chairman of the Board, Massachusetts Citizens for Life
Thomas A. Shields
Chairman, Coalition for Marriage and Family
Note: The signatories are all acting as individual citizens, and not as representatives of their respective organizations. Organizational affiliations appear for identification purposes only.
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As leaders and members of Mitt Romney’s Social Conservatives Coalition, we are proud to support Governor Romney for President. We are confident of his pro-life and his pro-family commitment. Our nation is in great need of leadership on these issues, and we believe Mitt Romney to be the right leader for our cause.
Truly Yours,
The Honorable Rachel Burgin
State Representative; Awarded the 2011 “Susan B. Anthony Young Leader Award”; 2012 Sponsor of the Abortion Clinic Regulation Act
Marili Cancio
Member of the Christian Family Coalition Finance Committee
The Honorable Daniel Davis
State Representative; 2012 Sponsor of the “Fetal Pain” Bill
The Honorable Anitere Flores
State Senator; 2007 Citizens for Science and Ethics Legislator of the Year for her fight against the public funding of embryonic stem cell research; 2009 Sponsor of the Ultra-sound Option Bill
Adam Goldman
Member of the Board of Directors for the James Madison Institute; 2009-2010 Vice-Chair of Florida Right to Life
John Giotis
Headmaster for the School of the Immaculata; Tampa Bay Director for the 2008 “Yes4Marriage” Campaign
Ryan Higgins
Business Manager of Hope Children’s Home, a Tampa-based Christian orphanage; Vice-Chair of the Hillsborough County Children’s Board
Nancy McGowan
Twice commissioned Respect Life Coordinator for the Diocese of St. Augustine; State Steering Committee of Social Conservatives for Rubio
Vicki Mullins
Appointed by Governor Jeb Bush to head up abstinence education in Florida; Program Director for My-Choices.Net
Pat Neal
Past Chairman of the Board of the Christian Coalition of Florida; Chairman of the Board of the Faith and Freedom Coalition of Florida
Leslie Steele
Served as Deputy Communications Director for Governor Jeb Bush; lead Communications Consultant for the 2008 “Yes4Marriage” Campaign
The Honorable Dave Weldon
Physician; Former Congressman; 2001 Sponsor of the Federal legislation to ban human cloning
Note: The signatories are all acting as individual citizens, and not as representatives of their respective organizations. Organizational affiliations appear for identification purposes only.
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Newt sucks and he has the politics of old. No Delivery. Newt Loves the IRS ok? If you love the IRS vote for NEWT. All individuals have been subject to the assault on their personal estates by this opressive, tyranical institution that chooses the winners and losers of this society financialy not based on merit but based on loopholes established for the selfish, by the selfish.
Newt is not a staunch defender of the individual, his or her personal liberties by any means.
Quite Frankly I have reached a point where Domestic Policy TRUMPS (pardon the pun) Foreign policy.
NEWT or MITT is not a reverse course. Or santory for that matter face it.
Only fools would put Personal behavior choices and foreign policy in front of this precious country in this most critical election. Bowing down to more of the same instead of standing up and telling the world once and for all, the individual has taken back control of the United States of America. He will never let it go again.
God Bless Us all.. Vote Responsibly.
I have been a conservative since i was 16 years old and told my parents they were making a big mistake for voting for Jimmy Carter.
I was so hoping the Tea Party would not fizzle out as it was my hope that the grass roots excitement that generated so much success during the last midterm elections in getting non-establishment conservative elected. But it seems like the Media and the Insiders are in cahoots to only have us choose from insiders who for most of their political life been liberal or go for the Washington status quo.
Let us face it we are have Romney a liberal and Newt our Bill Clinton.
I think at this time the only one who has a proven record who could possibly deserve the Tea Party Banner is Rick Santorum. The Media totally does not cover him or give him any press like they do Newt and Romney.
The other thing is that the Tea Party could do is flood the Republican Convention and put Donald Trump up as the alternative or maybe a third party candidate.
Here is the slogan, If you call yourself conservative or moderate and you are fed up with establishment you now are not stuck with the Democrats or the Republicans come to the Tea Party where your vote will count. Fed up with Obama and Fed up with Newt and Romney, come to the Tea Party and vote for Donald Trump.
With the TeaParty movement and all it stands for I am all IN. I’m an independent and for the life of me I don’t understand how all these comments and articles are so far off the true core in which the Tea Party movement was created..an all inclusive U.S.A. based on our Constitution and fiscal responibility. All this has changed towards Conservative Republicans.
The way I see you, you can’t “serve two masters” and this is why the movement is loosing it’s collective voice. You can’t ask for smaller government and then request a conservative social programs that the government would oversee….It’s not in the constitution which is the only place we can all come together. Kicking the governement out of our business, and then inviting them to our livingroom.. YIKES!
The Tea Party can be what ALL Americans need it to be. Don’t loose sight of what brought us together – The Constitution. Loosing sight of that is what got us in this whole Dems vs. Reps mess.
Support for Newt proves that the Tea Party represents citizens who are either uninformed or not smart. Wonder why the Tea Party would back such a big spender. Ron Reagan was the first big spender and plunged the country into debt even though smart advisors alerted the president that Russia was failing and would crumble without additional defense spending, as it did. Now Newt, another big spender proposed a moon base. Tea Party people need to wake up and think for themselves.
Much of this criticism of Mitt Romney is somewhat questionable. Of all the candidates, he is the most outside. He has been a Governor. All of the other candidates have been part of the inside , federal government. Mitt Romney has both business background and Governor of a Liberal State. Romneycare versus Obamacare is the difference between States having the freedom to govern versus the Federal Government, big government mandates. Very different in my opinion. The comments from Newt Gingrich should scare anyone. I’m not convinced all the criticism about Mitt Romney isn’t “planted” by the Left Elites?
i have saw in some polls that some tea party members voted for romney i have been consertive repub
for years very interesed in tea party but if u are going to comprise your believes and support romney why not vote for oboma same differtance!!! i really like some would encoragemen!!!!
i have saw in some polls that some tea party members voted for romney i have been consertive repub
for years very interesed in tea party but if u are going to comprise your believes and support romney why not vote for oboma same differtance!!! i really like some would encoragemen
In reference to the Tea Party Patriots mission statement: fiscal responsibility; constitutionally limited government; free markets; what is the ultimate goal? Is it not to discover, endorse, and support those individuals in the political arena who best represent those objectives? Let’s be real! Are there any candidates that can be defined as “perfect” in the view of every one of us in the Tea Party coalition, who all have differing interpretations as to how to best fulfill our mission? And that is perfectly legitimate. So again, what is the ultimate goal? We should unite to endorse and support those that most closely embrace our mission, because if we don’t, our voting voice will be diluted and those who do not best embrace our core values will win by default. In light of this reality, my suggestion is that the one Presidential candidate that most closely embraces the core values and principles of the Tea Party Patriots mission is Newt Gingrich. He does not claim to be perfect in every personal way and has been open in his confession and repentance of past shortcomings. Let us ask ourselves the question: are any of us perfect? So let us not act as judge of those matters, but look clearly at his past performance in strong support of those issues having to do with our core values. Let our collective voice be heard in support of Newt because if we don’t, another may win, and we lose!
I am absolutely amazed that the Tea Party is even hesitating to support Newt Gingrich! With all his character issues, there is NO candidate in the race that cares more about issues that are near and dear to Tea-Party faithful than Newt. I am stunned that not only is there NOTHING here showing any sort of support for Gingrich, but is appears that no decision has been made at all about what or who to support. With this lack of leadership and enthusiasm, it is no wonder so many voters are feeling there ‘have no choice’ and are heading to these caucuses and primaries to cast their vote for a man they fully believe will NOT stand up for them. We are playing into the hands of the very groups that want to see the Tea-Party GONE from the public discourse. If we want to have a seat at the table, shape public discourse, we can’t all be voting for different candidates, whining and complaining about whom we support. PLEASE wise up folks.. the only candidate in the race now, with a mathematical shot of overtaking Mitt Romney and getting the GOP nomination and winning in November is Newt. You have a chance to do something BIG in this election.. or you can sit back and let moderates and liberals determine your fate. Don’t sit on the sidelines.. PLEASE.
Ron Paul is part of the establishment …and Mitt, Newt and Rick aren’t? Mitt (corporations are people) NOT…Newt (lets live on the moon and have all the wife’s we want)…Rick (I didn’t say black I mumbled) out right lie! Sorry I can’t vote for people like this…I have morals. Ron Paul’s been fighting for the people…gets his Money from the people…and you probably don’t support him cause he can’t be bought and he’ll mess things up for the rich. He’s what we need and by far the closest candidate to what this country was founded on. The rest are the same-o lame-o!
I have been member of Newt360.com for three months now. We come together to share our thoughts and get imformation, Somewhat like you, only we have made up our minds. I hate to see people base thier decisions, on a man they haven’t studied yet. Newt has a fine dispostion, but if someone get’s in his face or lies, he will defend his position. He is a history professor… who loves our great constitution. The democrats and some republican’s wanted him out of the Speakership, because he had gotten the compromises, from both sides and was working with Bill Clinton. He was slandered and maligned, so badly I don’t think anyone one this site, could bear up under it. All eighty-four counts, were found false. And the last by of all groups, was the IRS. Yet, the government has never apologize,d to him, they did not return the $300,000.00 for the cost of House investigating him.
Just stop for minute and imagine that. Yet he kept his cool, stepped down, here is the story below. And why do I write all this, because this is the most critical election of our lives and Romney and Santorum cannot beat Obama. Newt can. No one can out debate. He has a mind like a steel trap, and the memory to go with it. Unlike Obama who lives off of teleprompters. I’m attaching why Newt left congress. But may I remind you, Newt managed to get the House and Senate working together, to the dems surprise. Four years of a balanced budget, Welfare Reform. Challenging Clinton and even if Clinton vetoed the bill, Newt would bring it back, until finally he signed it, on the third time around, He is tenacious and that’s what this nation needs. I call him my Pitbull, he grabs on to an idea and then doesn’t let go until he has accomplished it. I have the highest respect for this man.
He has confessed his sins, and they’ve been under the Blood of Jesus Christ for a very long time, so let he, who is without sin, cast the first stone. I don’t mess with God’s completed work on the cross.
Below is a well written and document, that establishes Newt’s innocence.
Now we know what Newt Accomplished. Please tell me what MItt accomplished…The Olympics, yes he went to congress and begged for money and somehow, the great business mind saved the Olympics. He raised more fees and taxes, then anyother Governor in the history of Massachusetts
To Close Budget Gap And Fund New Spending, Romney Increased Fees And Taxes By Roughly $700Million Per Year, According To Independent ExpertsIndependent Analysis Found Romney Raised More Than $700 Million Per Year In Fees And Taxes.
“Feesand taxes have increased more than $700 million a year under Governor Mitt Romney and Lieutenant GovernorKerry Healey, a leading budget specialist said yesterday. Michael J. Widmer – president of the MassachusettsTaxpayers Foundation, which closely tracks state finances – said the state has raised roughly $740 million to$750 million per year by increasing fees and corporate taxes gained from what the Romney administrationdescribes as ‘closing loopholes.’”
(Brian Mooney, “Analyst Puts Increase In Fees, Taxes At $700m,”
The Boston Globe
, 9/27/06)
“[R]omney … Approved Hundreds Of Millions In Higher Fees And Fines Including Raising The Cost OfGetting A Marriage License, Filing A Court Case, Buying A House Or Renewing A Drivers License.”
(SteveLeBlanc, “Romney, In Change Of Heart, Signs No-New-Taxes Pledge,”
The Associated Press
, 1/5/07)
Romney Fee Hikes Compared To 1980s Policies Of Then-Gov. Michael Dukakis (D).
“Politicians turning tofees when taxes are not an option is nothing new in Massachusetts history. In the early 1980s, then-governorMichael S. Dukakis swore off tax hikes, but proposed a set of fees under a package he called the RevenueEnhancement and Protection Program.”
(Joanna Weiss, “Romney Proposals On Fees Draw Fire,”
The Boston Globe
, 2/28/03)
“A 2003 Survey Of States By The National Conference Of State Legislatures Found MassachusettsImposed At Least $501.5 Million In Fee Hikes, Far More Than Any Other State In The Nation That Year.”
(Steve LeBlanc, “Romney, In Change Of Heart, Signs No-New-Taxes Pledge,”
The Associated Press
, 1/5/07)
Taxpayer Watchdog Group: Romney Disguised Tax Hikes As Fee Increases.
“[Citizens for Limited Taxation]is planning a lawsuit to challenge some of the $500 million in hikes they say are tax increases disguised as fees.They include a boost in the gun permit fee from $25 to $100, and a new $3,000-a-year fee on nursing home ‘self-payers,’ or residents who are not on Medicaid.”
(Tom Benner, “Romney Promises Collide With Reality,”
The Patriot Ledger
[Quincy, MA], 12/27/03)
Roughly 100 Days Into Romney’s Tenure, A
Boston Herald
Editorial Noted His “Over-Reliance” On FeeHikes And Business Tax Increases.
“Romney’s over-reliance on new and higher fees, though, undermines hiscase that government is riddled with waste, and imposes a burden on working people. And this businessman’swillingness to embrace corporate tax hikes, in the guise of closing tax loopholes, could undermine the state’seconomic recovery.”
(Editorial, “Romney’s 100 Days A Good Beginning,”
Boston Herald
, 4/11/03)
TAXES
Total State And Local Tax Burden Increased More Than 7% Under Romney And Massachusetts’ CorporateTax Climate Is Among The Nation’s WorstState And Local Tax Burden Increased By Over 7% While Romney Was Governor.
According to the TaxFoundation, Massachusetts’ state and local tax burden was 9.8% in 2002 – the year before Romney took office –and rose to 10.5% in 2006, an increase of 7.1%.
(Tax Foundation Website,http:/www.taxfoundation.org, Accessed 4/6/07)
Recent Study Found Massachusetts’ Corporate Tax Climate Ranks 47th In The Nation.
In the TaxFoundation’s rankings of state-by-state business tax climates for 2007, only three states in the entire country werefound to have a worse corporate tax climate than Massachusetts.
(Tax Foundation Website,www.taxfoundation.org,Accessed 6/15/07)
To Address State Budget Gap, Romney Implemented Three Rounds Of Tax Changes That IncreasedBusiness Taxes By Roughly $400 Million A Year, According To Most AnalystsRomney Implemented Policies To Close “Corporate Loopholes” – Changes Widely Described As TaxIncreases.
“Mr. Romney says he did not raise taxes, but some critics say that is not entirely accurate. There was
Why Newt Left the House
National Review ^ | 1/30/202 | Brian Bolduc
Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 6:39:39 AM by Servant of the Cross
Did Newt Gingrich resign his speakership “in disgrace,” as Mitt Romney alleged in last Monday night’s debate?
No, but he didn’t have the votes to keep the job.
On November 3, 1998, Republicans lost five seats in the House of Representatives, shaving their majority to 223 seats, leaving them with a dangerously thin margin. Three days later, Newt Gingrich announced he would not run for a third term as speaker.
The pressure had been building for months. In January 1997, Gingrich narrowly won a second term as speaker with only 216 votes — out of 228 Republicans. (Several of them voted present, allowing Gingrich’s reelection.) Later that month, the House voted by a wide margin, 395 to 28, to reprimand the speaker for ethical wrongdoing and assessed him $300,000. (In 1999, however, the IRS declared that Gingrich had not violated any tax laws.)
At the time, Representative Pete Hoeksta reflected: “Newt has done some things that have embarrassed House Republicans and embarrassed the House. . . . If [the voters] see more of that, they will question our judgment.”
Six months later, a bloc of disgruntled conservatives tried to oust Gingrich from the speakership and install Representative Bill Paxon in his place. After the unpopular impeachment of President Bill Clinton almost cost the GOP its hard-earned majority, rank-and-file members demanded new leadership.
Representative Steve Largent announced in a news conference he would challenge majority leader Dick Armey. He compared the GOP’s losses to “hitting an iceberg” and said, “The question . . . is whether we retain the crew of the Titanic or we look for some new leadership.”
“We have to have new leadership or we will not be in the majority in 2000,” Representative Tom Coburn told the Washington Post. According to the paper, at least twelve Republicans pledged not to vote for Gingrich in the speaker’s election the following January.
“The sword of Damocles was hanging over Newt’s head,” says Frank Gregorsky, a former aide to Gingrich. “If we lost seats at all, Newt’s 216 supporters weren’t there.”
Gregorsky explains the dynamic Gingrich faced: “He had two sets of groups against him: the hard-right class of ’94 and the institutionalists, whom he had displaced from committees.”
Former congressman Greg Ganske, who chaired Gingrich’s presidential campaign in Iowa, agrees that certain groups opposed Gingrich, but believes the speaker could have won a third term.
“It might have been a divisive race, but I think Newt would have had the votes,” he says.
What’s more, Ganske defends Gingrich against his critics, some of whom had a “holier-than-thou attitude,” he contends: “He didn’t have just a conservative bloc in the House. He had to manage the moderate wing as well. Part of the reason I supported him was that I admired the way he did that. It was like herding cats. I find it so interesting now that guys like Joe Scarborough are so anti-Newt when he was actually so good to them.”
Former congressman Todd Tiahrt also believes Gingrich could have won another term as speaker. “He still had enough [votes] to be speaker,” he says. The reason he resigned, rather, was that he felt he would be ineffective if he won. “I think he saw the controversy that he was getting from charges by the Left, the fact that people were upset with his leadership style, and I think he just saw that he wasn’t going to be effective.”
But former congressman Mark Souder says Gingrich had several opponents running against him. In an e-mail to NRO, Souder writes that Gingrich “could not have won.”
“The election results were a factor but mostly an excuse,” Souder writes. Republicans were fed up with his leadership style, and the fact that they were poised to choose Appropriations Committee chairman Bob Livingston as Gingrich’s successor was indicative of their concerns. “We were seeking operational leadership, not ideological or electoral leadership.”
For his part, Livingston, who endorsed Gingrich’s presidential bid, says the change in leadership was a tactical decision. Gingrich had predicted a pickup of at least 15 seats soon before the election, and when it resulted in a loss of five seats, rank-and-file members are quite disappointed. “It was a tactical frustration,” Livingston tells NRO. “Not a frustration with Newt’s fundamental direction of the Republican conference, nor did it have anything to do with his ethical situation.”
Livingston adds that Gingrich initially hoped to salvage his speakership and was testing the waters for a third run. After a conference call with the Republican caucus, however, Gingrich decided not to run for reelection. And when it became apparent that Livingston, who was reluctant to take his place, had the votes to secure the speakership, Gingrich helped with the anticipated transition. Livingston explains, “He wanted me to be a successful speaker, was very gracious and kind, and cooperated with me in every way possible.”
Livingston resigned from Congress before he could take the helm, paving the way for Representative Denny Hastert to assume the speakership.
But Livingston objects to more scandalous claims about Gingrich’s departure. “Romney’s assertion that he left in disgrace is totally wrong and simply untrue,” he says. Yes, the ethics charge was water under the bridge by 1998, and Gingrich could have put up a spirited fight for his speakership.
Now for Santorum, He has accomplished nothing, except to get himself elected. He needs to go home, and grow a little. He gets upset way too, easily and Obama would eat him for breakfast.
We all know, Ron Paul is a Republican in name only. He is a liberterian, who besides his idea’s on finances, he want to stick his head in the sand, and bring the boys home.
Please reconsider, who you will vote for and Vote for Newt. And thank you for your patience in my long windedness.
I am an average perrson, widow to Norman R. Eckles, LAPD, killed in the line duty. So don’t think I’m a shill for Newt. I really believe in this man.
While the liberal press attacked the Tea Party, the Tea Party attacked Republicans.
Your Tea Party leadership destroyed the effort.
Well, the Republican party is split between the GOP establishment and the conservatives. The establishment does not believe in small government and they want to hold on to power just as much as the Liberal Democrats. The sad part is the Conservatives are the only ones who are actually are trying to fix the mess the country is in.
The second problem are the big government Progressives that have infected both the Democrat and the Republican party so no mater which side we vote for we get the same outcome. Gingrich is a big progressive and says that FDR was the greatest president of the 20th century. Half of the laws that FDR put into place was ruled unconstitutional and somehow he is better than Reagan who was a conservative that actually turned the country in the right direction.
Therefore we need to pick the most conservative candidate and not who is the most electable. Plus Ron Paul who isn’t even a republican will most likely run 3rd party if Gingrich wins the nominee. The most conservative candidates are Michelle Bachman and Rick Santorum.
I know that we are fighting on many fronts. I know that the battle is tough. But right now I am ashamed to be a Tea Party member. YES, newt is talking a good Tea Party game. HE IS CO-OPTING THE TEA PART TO WIN THE NOMINATION !!!
PLEASE do your homework and stop settling for anyone but obamass now since Cain is gone. I loved Cain too, but I can’t throw my support behind any of the two front runners BECAUSE they ARE obamass.
Look . . . one of THE biggest items on our agenda, once in office, IF we are to remain a free and self-governing nation, is the repeal of obamasscare. Do you really think the either newt or romney has the will to do that? They may talk a good game now to win the nomination, but BOTH have long histories of supporting national health care, including the mandate, that go back twenty years.
Romney’s boys helped obamass craft obamasscare and newt has not only been an advocate for it for the past twenty years (right up to this primary campaign), but he has taken millions of dollars in lobby money from companies benefiting from it. He also calls himself a t.roosevelt progressive. FIND OUT WHAT THAT MEANS for GOD sake!!! PLEASE!!!
There is no more time to settle and hope for the best. No more time left to kick the can down the road. We are on the edge of the cliff now. We will NOT survive as a free people with another four years of obamass OR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS of obamass light in Tea Party cloths.
I am NOT going to tell you how to vote. But I AM going to ask you to please examine your principles, you commitment to them, and research these candidates so you can make the best and most informed decision you can, based on your principles.
We MUST stand now or all is lost. There are no guarantees. We may lose anyway. But I intend to fight to the death to win. And if I lose, at least I con go before God with a clear conscience.
Tom,
I agree. If good, conservative candidates could survive further into the primary process, it would help. Here’s a thought: In the past, when the “chosen” GOP candidate survives the primary process (like Bob Dole in ’96 and John McCain in 2008), that’s when money starts to flow. At that point, most of the country has no say in the selection. So rather than wait for a few small states and media polls to decide our nominee, I would like to see conservatives and tea party organizations establish a common day (or even a few days) when they would be urged to donate to the candidate of their choice. This would be a different kind of primary. It would be an organized donation primary. We would vote en mass with our dollars. This would funnel money to the most popular conservative candidate and would allow that candidate at least to survive deeper into the state-by-state primaries. The result would be that the day after the “donation primary”, the most successful conservative candidate would have a war chest. I think this would give conservatives a bigger voice (and what could be more American than putting your money where your mouth is?). This donation primary day would have to happen before the Iowa caucuses or at least be announced before the Iowa caucuses.
Tom… It will take both the House and Senate to pass the repeal of Obama care. Do YOU think that any of the candidates would VETO that? Not likely. Newt wouldn’t nor Romney, or Bachman… etc. etc.. So it’s a silly argument as the POTUS can lobby congress but it’s congress who has to get the job done FIRST.. before POTUS can use all those pretty pens to sign the repeal.
The Tea Party is not a Political Party have you forgotten what the Tea Party stands for? If you joined the Tea Party because you thought all of us would be led like sheep to a slaughter you are badly mistaken. Each one of us has a vote, each one of us will support the Candidate of our choice. They are ALL Patriotic Americans. One will receive the nomination and that one will then be the one Republicans, Conservatives and many others along with some Liberals, Some Independents and some disgusted Democrats will support. That is the way the game is played.
You are absolutely right.I believe Ron Paul will go independent which means:
Romney or Gingrich will get 34% of the vote
Ron Paul-16%
Obama-45%
Write ins-5%
We have seen this before..
I keep seeing the question of what happens if Ron Paul goes independent? I’m wondering . . .
What happens if Ron Paul wins the nomination.
Gingrich nor Romney are close to being Tea Party candidates.
What would happen if RP wins the nomination?
We’ll finally be on the road to salvation!!!!!
Amen!
Lets hope Ron does exactly that. We can live with Obama but we can’t live with this not getting represented. We can’t reward the republicans I don’t care how much we don’t want Obama. Have you seen the Utube video thats entitled tea party bullshit? They have it right on what happened to the tea party. man this pisses me off.
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Thought the Tea Party is not a political party it is a CONSERVATIVE organization, not liberal, and was formed in opposition to the big spending and the huge government expansion rammed through by the DEMOCRATS over the objections of we-the-people.
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If you ever thought the TP would support Obama and the Democrats, that’s rather foolish as the mission of limited government, free market economies, and personal responsibility is the exact opposite of the liberal socialist agenda.
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So OF COURSE the TP is going to focus it’s attention and support the GOP nominee, with a few exceptions who think a 3rd party has a PRAYER of winning anything on the POTUS level.
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Tea Party folk running for office here are predominantly running under the GOP banner, in some cases replacing RINO’s by woop’n them in the primaries in many cases (lots) running as GOP unopposed in primaries with local full GOP support.
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There are a few Democrats in our state who are also Tea Party and they are working to take their party back from the socialists and union thugs. We love ‘em, but they are not for Obama and the big government model either.
If Ron Paul does go independent, he will have the blood of this country on his hands. He will split the vote and single handed, hand Obama the Whitehouse, and the final destruction of America. If he is that ideologial, that he would destroy this country over ideology (like he has with many of his votes with the Democrats) then he has no place in the Repulican Party or the Tea Party or any other conservative movement.
No, the Tea Party and Republicans will have blood on their hands for handing the presidency to Obama. Ron Paul is the only candidate that can muster Rs, independents and moderate Ds. If he wins the nomination, he can beat Obama. No one else running will be able to do so. And the Rs can not win this with Rs alone…you need independent and Ds to defect to Ron Paul.
Without Ron Paul’s organization, Republicans can kiss the presidency goodbye…
You know he will run 3rd party, embrace that fact and make him the nominee instead and prevent the problem from the start. Otherwise, be prepared for 4 more years of Obama.
Maybe we shouldn’t dismiss RP so quickly. He is the only one that stands for the constitution and nothing more…As I read the welcoming page, so did the Tea Party website… Perhaps we should pressure him on giving some names for VP, because I don’t know if he could fulfill a full term and it could make a serious difference.
Wake up people. Have we gone insane. Gingrich/Romney are both big government progressive. Just because they have been paying lip service to the tea party doesnt make them constutional conservatives. They are big government progressive. Newt has been against everything we stand for and has not changed his mind just his approach. The man love Theodore Roosevelt who founded the progressive movement. Please for god sake wake up folks. We need to get unified behind the best constitutional conservative available or our country is gone. Anyone can win against Obama based on his lousy record as long as our candidate has integrity. Please tell me we havent fought this hard to shoot ourselves in the foot now.
You know, instead of convincing Ron Paul supporters to support status quo Newt, you COULD just nominate Paul and beat Obama.
Ron Paul is the only person to actually take his oath to the people and the Constitution seriously, for 11 terms. Dr. Paul is sound in economics, foreign policy( which is the opposite of everything we are doing now to build an empire and become a global power at the cost of american lives ). Dr. Paul believes in Freedom and Prosperity through peace and backs that with the Constitution. He is the father of the Tea Party and no one wants to acknowledge this because several very powerful people ( like Congressmen and the Media ) are not going to stay rich if he doesn’t allow their corruption to run amok like it has for so long. They are terrify of him because he will bring swift and constant change that the upper class can’t take advantage of.
I am sorry, but Newt Gingrich will not earn the support of somebody who cares about the 2nd Amendment. The fact that he championed and voted for the Brady-style Lautenberg gun ban, and the fact that he has supported a national ID card for guns unacceptable. Also, tie in that he voted for the Dept. Of Education, NAFTA, the Fairness Doctrine, the Global Warming Prevention Act of 1989, Quantitative easing, and massive foreign aid and congressional pay hikes. He also supported No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D, TARP, amnesty, and cap and trade.
Romney is no conservative either. No explanation needed.
That leaves Ron Paul, the only other candidate with a shot. His views on the Constitution cannot be matched, he has a great abortion solution, and he is trustworthy and electable against Obama. I do not agree with all of his foreign policy views but he would let Congress handle issues of war such as Iran and Israel. Also, his ideas of missile defense, secure border, and better patrolled seas means a net upgrade over our current national security.
Also, hopefully we see Luis Fortuno as the VP pick!
He has all the desired traits that anybody could ever want.
Voting according to the Constitution requires courage. Every American should vote according to the Constitution in their own Primary and General elections. So read it. and vote.
“Defeating Obama is job 1.”
Paul is the only candidate that can defeat Obama. The rest of the GOP candidates are status quo politicians. They are the same as Obama.
“Ron Paul or bust!”
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You should be ashamed of yourself. I used to be for newt and I did some research about all of them and what is really going on in this country.
The truth of this matter is that every candidate except Ron Paul is a sellout to the American People.
You don’t get it. Ron Paul is the one who started the tea party on dec 16th 2007 with the first nationally organized Money bomb.
Since then the Real Teaparty has been hijacked by people like you and your ilk who are as far as I am concerned sell outs to america also.
You people tout the constitution on and on and then you give a thumbs up to two of the biggest sellouts in the race.
You completely forget the fact that 70% of the american people are against this countries foreign policy and the wars. Those people will be voting for ron paul in 2012
You are worried about a third party run. Well the answer is simple my friend. Stand up for something. We have one chance left and one candidate who has a 30 year record of defending the constitution and who is the only person who can beat Obama because of the anti war vote.
And you sit there and write about more of the same. This country does not have time for 4 more years of the same. And in this case Romney and Gingrich are more of the same so if any of the three get elected the country is dead.
There is no one that can beat Obama except Ron Paul. Dems are rushing to switch parties to vote for him in the primaries.
You are worried about a Ros Perot repeat, you forget the fact that Ron Perot got threatened and then bowed down to the elites. Ron Paul will only fight harder if he gets threatened.
I feel sorry for all of the honest tea partyers out there because you sir are doing them a dis service by giving a thumbs up to the two biggest frauds in the race.
I and none of the other ron paul supporters will NEVER vote for more of the same again. We did that last election. You don’t get it, the country goes into revolution and tyranny with Obama Gingrich or Romney.
If you want obama out of office so bad like you say you are then stand for something that the tea party resembles.
Have some Fing Guts and stand for what is right not the flavor of the moment
Paul has two things working against him that make him unelectable:
1. He looks old and frumpy, and comes across as a crotchety old man. Like it or not, we are an image minded country, and the voters of this country will take his appearance and presentation into consideration.
2. His views on foreign policy and toward US culpability in the war on terrorism are too extreme for the average voter to accept. He would never get his agenda through the congress, but the voters won’t be thinking about that at at that polling place.
The reason the Dems are changing their allegiance in order to vote for him in the primary is that they want him to be the Rep nominee because they are sure he is unelectable. Shades of Rush Limbaugh’s “Operation Chaos” in the last election.
How in the world is Ron Paul unelectable????
He has been elected to congress for over 20 years! You cant be unelectable if you have been elected. makes no sense
Wake up people. Vote according to the constitution, or vote for fascism.
frumpy isn’t presidential? so you would rather have so slick-haired, polished and greased politician? Ron Paul has been elected 12 times to the House. He had never changed his message. At least with Ron Paul, you know what you are getting. Consistency.
And as for the foreign policy, let me ask you this?
As a former Marine, who served two tours in Iraq, I feel that the “war machine” is broken. In order to fix our economy, we have to cut somewhere and the 700 billion dollars/ year on military spending is a great place to start! We cannot be the policemen of the world, sending our boys overseas to fight made-up bad guys. There’s always gonna be someone else we can fight, it doesn’t end. Here is an idea!? How about we stop protecting the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan and start protecting our border with Mexico? What about the 30,000 murders happening right across the border? To help you understand how I feel, think about this scenario. I’m a worker at a factory and the equipment I’m working on breaks down, there’s a big investigation on why this machine isn’t working. Are you going to ask the floor manager who only checks in periodically, or are you gonna ask the guy that works on the machine everyday why the equipment broke down!? The correct answer is me. Ask the veterans and the active duty military if this “war machine” is broken, and their answer is in campaign contributions to Dr. Paul. He recieved more money from all the GOP AND OBAMA combined in Q2. In Q3, his top contributors were from the Army, Navy and Air Force. The current administration’s foreign policy is flawed!! The American taxpayers hands are stained with the blood of over 1 million Iraqi civilians, because of lies about WMD and the greedy government contractors lining their pockets from arms trade and an obsession over oil. You know the truth, Dr. Paul is right. He may not be the perfect messenger, but his message is perfect! Have a great day, sir.
Much applause for a level-headed insight Bryan. I don’t understand why anyone in their right mind would vote for a candidate OTHER than Ron Paul… It just makes no sense. They’re all obviously bought and dirty, and they all want to push for more wars which is going to cost the country more money, and the only candidate that has ever done legitimate military service is Ron Paul (the only candidate who wants to have a less-aggressive foreign policy). And like you pointed out, he’s the candidate that the troops support most.
To put it bluntly, Ron Paul is the only candidate who will help YOU THE PEOPLE… unless you’re one of the few corrupt CEOs, lobbyists, Wall Street insiders or big bankers who will benefit from the other candidates, and let me give you a little hint, you’re NOT!
Stage presence? Ron Paul stands up there night in and night out with the guts to tell them to their faces how bought out and corrupt they are. The other candidates make my stomach wrench when I look in their eyes, but Ron Paul makes me feel like there is a hope for humanity, and for America. He’s a good person, better than the lot of them combined, and that’s all the stage presence you need.
All due respect RON PAUL didn’t start the tea party. God did. Christians have no representation in this country and thats BS. We are a huge part of this country and we have NO REPRESENTATION. Thats why I bought into the tea party. If its about Ron Paul? I’m glad I joined the OWS. I feel like I’m a tea partier too though and Ron Paul sucks. He doesn’t represent christians. No one represents us. We are half the country and we can’t get a damn representive.
Since when has the Tea Party been a Christian movement??? It has always been about Constitutionally limited government and Taxed Enough Already. Where is this Christian piece? I never signed on for that, that HAS been the Republican establishment for years!!!
If we focus on the Constitution, everyone will be better serviced. Focus on pushing your personal religious morals and the Party is over…
Ed..
First. Romney and Newt are not even NEAR being the same.
Second. Having ideas and having leadership skills are two different things. RP has idea, no leadership.. Newt has both AND can debate.. AND has better solution strategies.
RP is a nice guy, good heart probably, SOME of his views are OK.. But for you to ASSUME all Tea Party folk are against having to have an ID’s for voting or guns is a false assumption. I don’t want felons to be able to legally carry, or those with records of domestic violence, or psychopaths.. there is a degree of care we must take.. less is best, but none at all is not a final solution.
Life is not all black and white, my friend, and THAT is what we appreciate about Newt. He’s not afraid to point that out as it happens to be REALITY.. Much better than lies..
Bachmann is the only real tea party conservative. Gingrich is NOT a Tea Party Patriot. He is fooling everyone to get elected. He is a wolf in sheep’s clothing and not to be trusted. He has co-opted the tea party principals to get elected. Don’t settle and drink the kool-aid. If Gingrich or Romney win, you will not have change in Washington, it will be 4 more years of big government takeovers. Bachmann can win, if the Tea Party stay loyal to the real Tea Party Candidate.
Well said Kathryn.
Newt was pushing the conservative agenda 20 years before the Tea Party ever existed.
Excuse me, Sir… The Supporters of Ron Paul started the Modern Day Tea Party Movement. 16 December 2007. I know because that day I had to RUN HOME and take of my ARMY UNIFORM of 24 yrs in order to get to it in Civilian Attire.
So if you think I will allow a “Patriot” group to feed anyone the current FRAUDS that call themselves Republicans to this country, I have just become your greatest Enemy. And now that I am RETIRED, I will throw my Uniform on and produce a YOUTUBE video that will go viral calling YOU OUT!!!
If this fraud in the white house is re-elected it will be because of YOU and YOUR FRAUDULENT “PATRIOT NEO-CON” Organization supporting a lessor EVIL. I am sick of being nice to your type.
You should don’t forget to ask how they managed to tally and double check over 100,000 submissions in less than 24 hours with a supposed less than 2% margin of error?Where is the proof of this “poll” I have a feeling there is something fishy going on here…
I agree with you totally, this movement “HAS BEEN HIGHJACKED” by the Neo-Cons
You know, I’ve been a Newt fan for many years, and while he isn’t all that I want, as long as we keep him on a short leash, he may be okay till we can do better. If Perry makes it to March 13th, I plan to vote for him.
I was looking at a Perry commercial online last week and the comments were flames from two groups, Paul and the homosexuals. I still can’t tell you which group was nastier. To be frank, I don’t have alot of respect for RPers as a group, for this very sort of thing. You all scream at the tops of your lungs, seemingly trying to shout down your opposition like the OWS crowd… When I read things like the above “Have some Fing guts and stand for what is right not the flavor of the month”, I wonder how many times you’ve faced death. I don’t know. I’m sure the guy will splatter all over the screen if he looks at this. I’ve had the distinction of looking it in the eye a number of times, both as a punk and as a Christian. I’m a NRA Life member. I cannot support Romney because I saw what got introduced into the public elementary school curriculum under his tenure. “Fisting” isn’t appropriate for 5th graders or any other “graders”… I’m a Christian, and “hear” repentance from Newt. Judging from the comments here, I know more about Newts past than what I’ve seen here. It’ll come out if it comes out. I don’t care anymore. Because I “hear” repentance, I will go along with Newt if he wins the nomination. I CANNOT support Ron Paul, because it isn’t 1880 anymore. We can’t put things back to what they were back then by pretending that things haven’t changed. They have, alot. RP isn’t trying to win! RP’s trying to drive the conversation. He as much as told you that in the last debate, if you’d just listen!!! From what I can see, maybe even a majority of RP supporters are in it to legalize pot! Folks, I’m not a young politico anymore. I know what projection looks and feels like. I’m seeing alot of that in the RP crowd. I’m not asking you to abandon what you believe. I am asking you to think about what you believe, from a third person point of view… Try to look at “logical conclusions” and “the law of unintended consequences”. I think that if RP supporters got half if what they demand, we’d all be consumed into history in a moment. I have no interest in trying to explain that to a RP supporter. To date, I haven’t been able to have much of a “conversation” with any.. For all the spit I get in my face, I feel like I’m talking to a southern German, or an OWS person.. Ron Paul will never win for the same reason that Dinnis Kucinich will never win. Each is a protest vote, and only intended by the candidate to offer such to the establishment apparatus. Figure it out, guys.. RP is a voice, not a choice. (AND QUIT BEING SO VERY NASTY, EVERYWHERE YOU GO. wOULD YOU, PLEASE!)
I didn’t intend to make this post a diatribe against RPers. All I want to say is that, of the choices before us “today”, Perry is pretty darned close. (I get the I-35 Corridor. I know, I know.) If I’m to take him at his word, Newt may run an acceptable second place. None of the candidates today would be a “first choice”.
No real Tea Party member would vote for Gingrich or Romney. LOL. Who are you people?
Are you pretending to be Tea Party while secretly working to re-elect Obama?
Gingrich, like Romney, will say anything to get elected, and then shove it where the sun doesn’t shine after they get you. Are you people really that dumb? Look at their records. They are crooks and panderers. More of the same destruction of our way of life while the 1% lives off of what they steal from us.
Ron Paul is the only candidate who can beat Obama. He pulls in voters from all political persuasions and all ages. He is the only candidate who has a consistent record of doing what he says he will do. Ron Paul is the one candidate that you can trust. He is the candidate with more donations from individual citizens than all the other candidates combined. He has more than twice in donations from active military than all the other GOP candidates combined, and more than all of them & Obama combined.
Do you support the troops? Or is it just lip service? Obviously, you are just lip service because your plan is to keep putting them in harms way, destroying their families, killing innocent civilians, bankrupting the country, destroying our ability to have a strong national defense, and catering to the military industrial complex.
Your version of the Tea Party is an embarrassing fake. If you are trying to destroy the Tea Party, good job.
70% of the American people, and probably more in reality, want these wars and occupations ended. That is what Ron Paul wants to do. That means that 70% of the American people agree with Ron Paul. 70% of the American people also agree with Ron Paul’s desire for a complete audit of the FED.
Ron Paul’s policies are all Constitutional, moral, and in line with American values. He leads Obama by 10 points in a recent poll.
It is in the best interest of this country and the Tea Party that you throw your support behind the only candidate we can trust. Ron Paul. I’ll say this to you LOUD AND CLEAR.
I will only vote for Ron Paul. It would be safe to say that almost 100% of Ron Paul’s supporters will only vote for Ron Paul. If the GOP wants to win the White House, they had better wake up, and support Ron Paul. His supporters are Republicans, Democrats, Tea Party, Libertarians, and Independents. We will write him in if we have to, and beat your lying, pandering, big government, military industrial complex, completely insane choice, and Obama.
RON PAUL 2012
Go back and read what the Tea Party is about. You have a warped view of what the Tea Party is about. You are trying to make the Tea Party a Political Party which it is not. If you joined the Tea Party for other reasons than stated “About The Tea Party” you are ALL WRONG! If the Tea Party was a Political Party it would be a THIRD Party. It is open to ALL Political persuasions that support the Constitution of our Founding Fathers, Smaller Government, Less Taxing and Spending etc., etc., etc.You are using the Tea Party as your personal Political Platform and endeavoring to preclude open and free expression of “the political views of others” through personal disparagement. Knock It Off! It’s not the Tea Parties that have a problem, it is you!
Well said Dolores.. Keep in mind that liberal operatives are in action to ATTEMPT to split the Tea Party from supporting the conservative candidates in the GOP. It is in their best interest to hype RP and fan flames of ire against GOP.
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Think like a liberal and it all makes sense.
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Here’s what you do.. you fund the weakest candidate who has the cult following. You pump up his numbers artificially to make him look good. THEN you try to drive a wedge between his supporters and the rest of the conservative movement.
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If you wonder why the trolls are so active NOW… it’s because the liberals do NOT want to go toe to toe with Newt. That’s why we have the whole smear thing going on and the RP guys appearing to go insane… they aren’t ALL RP guys… they are trolling for the weak minded who truly DO love RP and firing them up to pit us against each other.
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There are many old friends up here who favor RP honestly. These are the trolls targets BTW as the TPP as a whole is not interested in a 3rd party gig as they are SMART ENOUGH to know it’s a loosing proposition.
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So don’t believe what the trolls post.. they are out to enflame, therefore stay calm.
Full disclosure: I am a Bachmann supporter, not a Ron Pauler.
I find your statements on Ron Paul inaccurate and slightly disturbing, coming from TPP:
“During debates, Paul seems uninterested in going after Obama, although he says a lot of damaging things, inappropriate for the forum, about the GOP.”
1) This is the primary race, not the general election! The race isn’t against Obama – it’s against Newt Romney and the others.
2) Ron Paul has done a very effective job staying on his message.
3) It’s high time the GOP was pricked in their conscience (if there is one left) with some stinging words about their repeated betrayal of their American people (TARP, Patriot Act, Medicaid Part D, the list goes on).
“Although he is in the ideal position to look into the Fed, Paul has done nothing of substance.”
You call this lacking “substance?”
1) Wrote a book, “End the Fed”
2) Filed and promoted his audit-the-fed bill
3) Secured Jim DeMint’s sponsorship on a senate version
4) Raised awareness in the general public and among lawmakers
Don’t make the same mistake you accuse Bookman of making! Ron Paul cannot single-handedly end the fed, and to imply that he could seems to betray bias unbecoming of TPP.
Hey Bachmans cool but MITT IS NOT COOL AT ALL. I can’t believe Christine Odonelle and now the governor of SC claiming to be tea party leaders are saying we support MITT. MITT’S the SHIT’S. EVERYTHING THE TEA PARTY WAS CREATED TO TRY TO STOP HIM OR NEWT EITHER ONE.
I think that the tea party should vote it’s convictions in the primaries, not for who the media thinks can win. If Gingrich, Romney, or Paul fit your convictions, then by all means vote for them. But don’t let the media determine your choice.
I though thte tea pary was about conservatism and supporting the Constitution of the US? If so, you cannot vote for either Gingrich or Romney, they are both big government progressives and have proven it time and time again. Maybe they have really changed some of their views in recent years to become more conservative, but do you really want to take that chance when there are actual conservative candidates? We need someone that is truly conservative to lead against Obama, not a poor copy of the same policies currently choking this nation to death.
Also, Ron Paul is a poor choice. While he has a lot of views that I and other conservatives believe in, he is so far off the reservation in foreign policy, that any conservative that believes that we must defend our country before things get to our shore, shouldn’t vote for him in the primary. His foreign policy will have us defending ourselves from within our own borders. That just happens to be the biggest issue with Ron Paul, not the only issue for conservatives, there are other issues.
I believe that a lot of tea party people were supporting Herman Cain. I was definitely leaning toward him myself. Then the media threw so many unfounded/unproven accusations at him, that he is now gone. The media once again determined who conservatives could vote for. Nothing should have changed until some evidence was actually presented, but it did. I think out of all the candidates, Cain was Obama’s worst nightmare, But that choice was taken away, before the first primary vote took place.
Out of the 4 left, Huntsman is also too liberal/progressive. He’s supported Cap and Trade policies while governor as well as global warming groups/efforts. I won’t go into this in too much detail, look it up yourself. Perry, while a much better choice, fails on immigration and other policies related to illegal aliens. I can’t, in good conscience, vote for either.
That leaves either Santorum or Bachmann. Both proven conservatives. Both have the values and views on government that I believe the tea party support. I believe they are the correct and only viable candidates, if the tea party votes its convictions. Don’t let the media determine the nominee that you vote for in the primary. Listen to what each persons says, look at their record, and vote your convictions.
Trust me, if the media wants you to vote for someone, then that is a bad choice. Do I really need to point that out? Just look at how they have treated the tea party if you have any doubt that the media is untrustworthy. I know what they are saying, that Santorum or Bachmann can’t win, even those media outlets that are conservative are saying this. Really? If the tea party truly votes conservative, then either Bachmann or Santorum could easily win. But if the tea party supports the progressive media’s choices, then the media wins, and they get to choose the president once again, like in 2008. I say we don’t give them our vote again. Check your convictions and vote your convictions and the media will no longer choose a president for us.
Will I vote for Gingrich, Romney, Paul, Huntsman, or Perry if they win the primary? In a heartbeat, they are all better than Obama. I would vote for a toaster over Obama. But do I have to vote for them before they win the primary? No, not if I am honest with myself. If everyone votes true to your beliefs, then the right person will win the nomination. But it should be our choice and not the media’s. I’m just saying.
Stephen, Did you mean to leave Bachman out of your list of viable candidates? I believer her to be much more viable than Ron Paul I also believe she would make a better President than all of them. Sharon Snyder
My Sharon and I have like Santorum for years and he finally showed passion in last years South Carolina’s first debate. In May he maintained his passion in May when he officially announced.
He and Bachman are my choices for principled conservatives. Santorum just can’t get people supporting him.
I like what Newt Says but I have a gnawing feeling that his grandiose plans may have some Teddy Roosevelt or Woodrow Wilson in them.
My feelings about Romney is that for getting a quick cure for the economy, he would be the best choice. He was my guy in 2008 before Glenn Beck taught us that there are big government progressives in both parties. I believe Romney has only been exposed to big government by his associations over the years. Somehow I believe Romnney is willing to listen and will change his mind if evidence is presented. He did that on some of his social positions. I changed my mind on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I am in favor of fast in and out engagements but I do not believe in trying to turn tribal countries into western style democracies. I believe in strong defense and cooperation in fair competition for oil and other commodities but if country tries to destroy our economy by denying us reasonably priced oil and other raw materials, I would consider taking it and paying a fair price to the country of origin. Just a thought!
Hi, Stephen, I appoligize, some how I missed the paragraph about Bachman & Santorem. I agree with you. They are the best candidates at this time. Sharon Snyder
At the time of my posting, Bachman has withdrawn, but Santorum is still in the race. Now, I have done some research -straight from the horse’s mouth – on his views about contraception (people shouldn’t use it, but he would not vote to ban it) and sodomy (people shouldn’t do it, but he would not vote to ban it), so I know that when the media claims Santorum (and the Republicans AND the Tea Party!!!) is out to ban contraception and make homosexuality illegal, I don’t believe them. However, Santorum’s statements in regard to “individualism” and the “pursuit of happiness” at the very least show a confusion of concepts of hedonism with happiness and a blurry philosophy in that realm, which makes me EXTREMELY uncomfortable. Also given the claims of this article
http://www.theobjectivestandard.com/blog/index.php/2012/01/santorum-stands-for-big-government-because-he-stands-for-collectivism/
regarding his support for steel tariffs, more federal control of education, the prescription drug benefit, the Bridge to Nowhere, milk subsidies, and wage controls, I’m going to have to do more research on his record. He doesn’t sound like Tea Party material to me. I mean, the Tea Party IS supposed to be for free markets, right?
What is happening? How can these people who came together because of their ‘core convictions’ about smaller government, etc. now be supporting a Newt or a Mitt? It does not make sense. Further why is the tea party caucus in Congress supporting Mitt? I heard because of his immigration policy and China. Really? This is absolutely unbelievable. Rick Perry is the only conservative with governing experience, and has been fighting the immigration issue for years and knows the Feds failings. There are many myths floating around about Perry – that is what they are – myths because Big Government does not want him…..heh heh wonder why………we don’t need to elect someone who ‘sounds smart’ – that has nothing to do with governing as a real conservative!
Ha, maybe this site should be renamed to Tea Party Ronbots. Good Lord save us all!
I am with many of the other posts: Newt IS NOT a conservative. He IS a techno-statistocrat who supports key elements of a STRONG central government. He is too similar to the liberals; it is just that he has wrapped himself in a different wrapper.
I was speaking to a couple of Tea Party buddies, and they were telling me, what I use to see…but I got a strong FEELING that I wasn’t seeing the big picture. The key is our Constitution, which is the foundation. China is now saying “Prepare for war.” (there are many articles stating this, yet our media is quiet on this… http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-16063607).
Charles Krauthammer has come out, with what Newt has said, many times, in the past, and still does. Anyone looking at Newt, as President, need to see this. Newt is a PROGRESSIVE! Newt showed a side that screams SOCIALISM, and Krauthammer caught it.( http://www.mofopolitics.com/2011/12/12/charles-krauthammer-newt-gingrich-attack-on-mitt-romney-is-what-youd-expect-from-a-socialist/ )
Here is who Newt says is the greatest President, ever, in America, FDR (“Because he got things done”)…and people need to see that BOTH SIDES, BOTH PARTIES, are exposing who they really are, and what they believe. Take a listen to Newt ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgdzZJePL04&feature=player_embedded#! )
In his book “Real Chance: From the World That Fails to the World That Works,” Gingrich praises the SEIU head, who remains a close adviser of the President Obama. Pitching the need for conservatives to respect organized labor, while simultaneously pushing back against some of Labor’s more cherished legislative goals, he wrote the following: “Conservatives cannot cheer unions overseas and then be blindly anti-union here at home. There are legitimate historic reasons for workers to organize together, and there is a strong need for a healthy, competitive, union, movement that helps improve the lives of its members and the competitiveness of our country. Andy Stern, the head of the Service Employees International Union, is the union leader who probably best understands the challenge of the world market and the need to make American union members productive in the face of world competition. Sadly, he is a distinct minority among union leaders.”…..HIS WORDS!( Gingrich: “Andy Stern, The greatest leader to our future.”…..WHAT?!!!). What about this speech, on video again. Listen to two phrases, 4 FREEDOMS…and HE’S A WILSONIAN (Woodrow Wilson?)…I thought he said he was a Reaganite…but he says the greatest President, of modern time, was FDR….Things just don’t add up!
I have been leaning to Rick Santorum. There is no need to settle for a PROGRESSIVE, Gingrich. We need to do our homework on who has the value of our founders. PROGRESSIVES are playing a game with us. WOODROW WILSON set up America to settle for the slick words of FDR. The same set up, that I can see. Look, I don’t want Obama re-elected, but I am NOT lowering my standards, and beliefs. The Progressives movement is the enemy of mans freedom, and it can be very confusing. The PANIC that we get into is, we don’t want what we have, but we don’t have to settle. The TRUTH will set you free. We are not at the ‘settle point’ yet. Theodore Roosevelt was a Third Party that led to Woodrow Wilson. I hope we are all wide awake, because we should take a close look to the little hands we hold and little eyes and ears that watch and listen. It seems the most times our children listen to us, is when we don’t think they are listening, or a weak moment where we say or do something we regret.
The Progressive design is stating, “At the rate things are going….PLEASE MAKE IT STOP!”…BUT, change, as we are finding out, can be bad. The values and principles, we have, are supposed to be embedded in our representation. For this fact, I believe God is working a miracle. I have heard every one of the candidates say they are there, because God told them to. Somehow I find that hard to believe God is trying to confuse us, it’s just we are not listening to what God is telling us. Before an election, of the campaign primary, we need to take a good look, at just the Ten Commandments, in my opinion. I tend to agree, that if a man will cheat on his wife, the last thing I would do is get in business with him.
There is a small phrase, that was made historical, “Crede sed proba” in Latin, “Doveryai, no proveryai” in Russian ( Доверяй, но проверяй). Ronald Reagan translated it. “Trust but verify.” If more voters would look into what a candidate says, and does, and see if they match up, we would be headed the right direction, and Reagan tried to get that across. Newt states he is a “Reaganite”…but his actions, and words don’t add up to a Conservative. It adds up to a Progressive.
Anyways, we are headed down a path, that history tells us where we ended up…and WWIII, could be at our doorstep. I hope more people look at where Rick Santorum stands, his words and actions. Newt and Santorum are the only two in the next debate coming up. I believe this is God given. Maybe the sign I have been talking about, I believe, will be given to us. God moves in ways we cannot understand, most of the time, and it seems we get it, after the fact. I hope we get it, before the fact.
I’m not sure if you agree, but we need the forum for the facts. We need to do the vetting, the media ignores today…and get on our knees and pray to God for discernment and understanding. Evil is working overtime, and half truths are no longer good enough, neither should be our settling for our representation and lack of leaders following our Constitution and laws.
God be with us!
RON PAUL!!!!
In an Obama/Paul debate, Obama would use him to mop the floor !
Indeed.., how the ‘TeaParty’ could ever consider endorsing ‘Newt-Romney’ is ridiculous ( and would label itself hypocrites )
Small governmet, the constitution.., are these all just words or is the ‘Tea Party’ really just republican establishment folks in different clothes ? Ron Paul is the ONLY one with a consistent record. He is also the ONLY one who can take votes AWAY from Obama ( disaffected libs and dems who like his stance on the wars ).
http://www.therightperspective.org/2011/12/06/ron-paul-polls-strongest-against-obama/
The economy is a greater threat to our country right now than any military or perceived terrorist attack. Who ‘stands with Israel’ ( and other nonsense ) is not going to matter much if you are unable to feed yourself and your family. Ron Paul is the only one who has the plan and the economic knowledge to fix things.
Also.., many agree with his foreign policy :
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/265912/20111212/ron-paul-2012-right-foreign-policy.htm
http://redcounty.com/content/ron-paul-right-foreign-policy
http://www.therightperspective.org/2011/11/13/foreign-policy-experts-agree-with-ron-paul/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDsE0TjEf8I
Entertaining to see all the RP supporters come slam the two front runners. Y’all are worse then the Dem’s and liberal trolls.. negativity and the politics of personal destruction. You do not HELP your candidate… and simply exhibit the “sour grapes” attitude..
No we are actually telling to truth. I was here when the original Tea Party started in 07 with the Ron Paul small Government crowd. I donated on December 16th, 2007 and then we all marched together that summer.
This idea of voting for Newt or Romney because they are the frontrunners is just what they want you to do. I am NOT sacrificing principle for party anymore. I am tired of getting the same of establishment big party candidates with nothing different besides the D or the R at the beginning of their names.
Folks all I can say is look at their records and go off of that. Anyone can change what they say at anytime to fit the current audience, but history cannot be changed. Newt is not Tea Party at all. To say he is means you probably are not as well.
Pete… you vote your heart in the primaries, that’s OK. What I object to is the ATTITUDE and TONE of the negative smear’s that SPIN things inaccurately to simply demonize another for personal advantage.
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That is not what character is all about or standing true to the principles of honor. There was a day when if you cast aspersions on the character of another (slander) that they’d be called out for an early morning shoot’n match.
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Now it seems all manner of slander is ok.. And you say this is NOT sacrificing principals? By slandering others you violate a sacred principle.. “Thou shall not bear false witness.” One of the top 10, I do believe.
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I gauge a candidate on TRUE principals. Not ones you are born with, or may hold at 20, or 30… but those developed over a lifetime and are NOW being displayed. When any candidate spins the truth to LIE to the public for their own advantage, they violate the top ten..
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What they did in the past, if they’ve repented and are not doing it NOW, is only relevant as a historic part of their personal development. It’s the principals they are displaying NOW that matter..
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Newt is acting in an honorable and mature manner. The others who’ve joined the establishment’s smear campaign lost all credibility with their CURRENT actions.. They are displaying they believe that the end justifies the means and have surrendered their honor to expediency.
Excellently put. I supported Ron Paul in the last election and support him again. I know exactly what I’ll get , consistent conservative values that this country was founded on.
Wow. I cannot believe the “tea party” movement. For the past 100 years we’ve played the political game with the pendulum swaying back and forth. Democrat, Republican, Democrat, Republican. Over that time we’ve seen the federal government grow, and grow, and grow to the Leviathan it is today. It makes no difference – Democrat or Republican – it always grows bigger and bigger; always intruding a little more on you and me. Every single Republican presidential candidate but one is a big government politician. All but one believes they can get it right – they can solve our problems – with just one more government “solution”. A new bureau, a new agency, a new program, a new law, a new regulation, a new idea. I say THEY cannot fix anything! You and me and our neighbors and family and friends are the only ones. Working in our own self INTEREST we will fix this country’s ills. Your vote counts in the upcoming caucuses and primaries. You can vote for a big government, establishment elitist or, you can vote for individual liberty, peace and prosperity. Ron Paul beats Obama 48 to 39 among independents – no other GOP candidate beats Obama in this category. The “tea party” and the GOP should rally around Dr. Ron Paul.
Newt Gingerich is the only smart, intelligent candidate that we have and the only one to defeat Obama!!!
Whats the point in beating Obama if you are going to replace him with Obama (Newt)……… I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR NEWT.. i WILL VOTE FOR OBAMA BEFORE I VOTE FOR NEWT.
Obama is the reason we have this great Tea Party Movement. If we get a fake conservative in the office America will go to sleep. Our movement will die, our constitution will be erased, our freedoms will perish. Just look at the NDAA bill the McCain authored.
To this is say…… FAKE CONSERVATIVES ARE RUINING AMERICA, FAKE COMPRIMISING CONSERVATIVES KEEP GOOD HARD WORKING AMERICANS FROM THE POLLS!
Dear Maryanne,
I think you should know that Ron Paul has great intelligence, easily as intelligent as Newt. He has been consistent with his message (read his books!) and his voting record, and has not taken the perks associated with his office as others have. This is because he has something that Newt doesn’t have – Integrity! Dr. Paul may not be the flashy, line-quipping, charismatic personality, but he is a STATESMAN, the others, with the exception of Michelle Bauchman are just politicians! They are progressives! (Michelle Bauchman is a brilliant woman, and a true conservative).We have a choice between a true STATESMAN and a POLITICIAN! Newt is just more practiced and slick. He has an indefensible record: Both he and Romney voted for the big TARP bailouts, they both voted for government run healthcare that would unconstitutionally require citizens to purchase healthcare insurance. He believes the voodoo science that global warming is caused by human activity, and backed systems of trading carbon cap points. He also voted to create the Department of Education. As a retired teacher, I think that did more to destroy education in this country than anything it did to help educate children. Many of these issues, along with the fact that he had 84 ethics violations and was disgracefully driven from the speakership, would make me question his viability as a candidate. He began his political career making 10,000 in 1978 and by 1998 he was worth 7.5 million. He sold out to the famous ‘revolving door’, taking money from Freddie Mac as an insider ( reportedly around 1.6-1.8 million). This is exactly the kind of activity that Americans are sick and tired of seeing in our leaders. I do not call this being intelligent, but just plain greedy, shifty and the typical politician, and would give me pause, no matter what his IQ! I will stand with the STATESMAN, Ron Paul, who has intelligence and INTEGRITY!
Good going Maryanne..
i cannot believe how so many people are willing to to choose 4 more for a illegitamate citizen, or a legitamate self proclamed Libertarian. – My objection to Romney is his
lack of experience and knowledge of international politics….Still he would be or any of
the other GOP candidates, a better choice than four more failure yeas…..
The objections i hear about Newt is his 3 marraiges, (Remember…..Our depateed leadeer Ron Reagon…..was a divorcee also)…and his strength to balance the budget
four yeas in a row, (and hasn’t been balanced since)….. and you don’t win popularity contests by leading the GOP back to power after 44 years of democrat leadership…..
Newt also draws some fire, because his wife was in the hospital on cancer therapy,
and has recovered and alive, and hopefully well at this date…..and Newt he reports
that his wife was the one who pressed for a divorce…
So the objections to Newt go back 25 years…..and his leadership qualities are again being displayed (be the debates) to the nations voters, and are more than mildly surprised of the expanse of Newt Gingrich’s talents. – AS Mr. Prager just said….
“We have to win folks…another four years of Socialism and Czars are un-exceptional” !!.
If you still prefer a Libertarian, then vote your choice, a Libertarian will not be
nominated by the GOP……this e;ection……
Newts Consulting firm reportedly accepted $30,00 a month for 18 months the fee fee advising Dodd and Frank to stop forcing home ownership on un-worthy applicants….. Dodd and Frank, finally saw the light and terminated their orders from Obama and backed off of the forced ownership practice……High powered Consulting firms are
expensive, but the advice is and was priceless, but way to late to head off the “bubble”..
As you can see, my feeling is that what Newt Gingrich did in his personal life 25 years ago,
that he has asked for forgiveness, is not a deal-breaker, and as the most experienced and scholar of the Constitution and American civics, there are no other choices, and as the mighty Left purports to be happy if Newt is nominated, it won’t be the first time that
the democrats displayed ‘joy’ for a decision they hope is recinded…..Newt’s debate’s are
simply and honestly this best candidate leadership qualities, and nominate one of the other candidates is at best “iffy” to remove Obama. – All of Newt’s critics begin with solid
intellectual compliments…before chastising him for his 25 year old personal life….and it
must be remembered that every Democrat President back to FDR had a ‘paraour” some
where, and the agreement with the news media to over-look them….JFK and Bubba Clinton ( who admitted he lied to his wife, his Party, and a Federal court…) had huge appetites, and as i type this Dennis Prager on knus 10 is expounding his opinion, much
like mine …..and his question is would we be better off with Obama……or a scholar and
experienced (40 years) ex-Leader of the House of Representit ves ????
Don’t waste you vote on some one who is “iffy” when you can choose the best……my advise is call radio station knus 710 and ask for the tape by Dennis Prager on Newt
Gringrich this date….his answer to Chris Matthews invented and calling Newt names
that
the ‘crats’ usually do when they have little or no praise for the Left….
Now we will see how sucessful Newt is getting his qualifications for President…..Dennis
Prager, a current and Biblical scholar in his own right…. seems to agree with me…..and others also.
MTN PHANTOM
Well said, Tom…
What we need is Santorum or Bachman. Ron Paul has a bad foreign policy. The 2 I mentioned WILL repeal Obamacare and Dodd/Frank. We don’t want to “defund” them because the policies will still be n place. They MUST be “repealed”. Please vote with your heads. Newt is a “socialist”. No different than Obama. Please think about that.
What is up with this guy? Like people said, Ron Paul started all of this. He is for freedom and for our Constitution. Newt and Romney are not even close to what Ron Paul stands for so why would you say he’s not the right choice? I agree with Ed and all the other Ron Paul supporters. He is the only person that should be our President. Ron Paul 2012 if not another 4 yrs of failure with a broken system
Ron P did NOT “start all this”. Many came before him raising many a warning flag from various sectors of government and industry.. RP is just one, of many.. not a God and not the leader we desire at this time in history. A member of the cabinet, overseeing the Fed, fine.. POTUS.. not well rounded enough and can’t tap dance worth a hoot.
I completely agree with Kathryn. Bachmann is the only real tea party conservative. Gingrich is NOT a Tea Party Patriot. Wake up people.
Newt is a big government advocate who has pushed for unfunded entitlements. If you want to see an example, read this article: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70332.html
I cannot believe the Tea Party is polling 82% in favor of Gingrich!!! This truly horrifies me. He is the exact personification of what has gone wrong with the GOP. We are supposed to be championing conservative causes and small government. He is the candidate we should be putting out of business, not supporting!
If your mindset is that he is the only one who can beat Obama, think again. Does everyone here forget the influence we had in 2010? We can stand behind and propel anyone we want, to help a REAL CONSERVATIVE get ahead; not RINO progressives like Newt OR Mitt.
I think Bachman is the real McCoy and would like to see her get more attention. I also hear good stuff about Santorum and Paul. We have a lot of power and can make a big difference in the outcome of this election. We need to the RINOS out and support real conservatives.
Maybe these poll numbers are false. Maybe someone is manipulating them to push Gingrich forward.Maybe the media is manipulating all of this to make sure we get stuck with another lame candidate like the last time…? I can’t believe my Tea Party would be so screwed up to think that Newt should be the one.
Check out citizensmovement.org they have set up interviews on Blogtalkradio with Michelle Bachman, Rick Santorum, & Rick Perry.
Chuck.. I get to chat with lots of folk and the polls aren’t rigged as there really are LOTS of folk who like Newt best for very good reasons. The detractors try to paint him as not being conservative but he’s an originator of the concept.
Newt’s been behind the School Choice movement for a while and various other endeavors to get big government out of our hair. Frequently he stood up for those beliefs OVER the objections of the establishment GOP… he’s not their favored son,, Romney and Perry are.
Follow the money.. RINO money is not on Newt… Don’t believe the spin, Chuck.. Newt’s our man… the most well rounded, deepest, broadest experience, guts, persistence, and not afraid of the smears to come.. Newt’s a realist with common sense solutions..
I respectfully disagree. I honestly cant believe my eyes on some of these articles. The Tea Party now supports candidates that are for the bank bailouts and individual health care mandates?
As to the polls. I question them. Ron Paul is going to win Iowa polling in 3rd place right now. Ron Paul pulls Independents and disenfranchised Democrats. WITHOUT Ron Paul as the nominee, republicans will lose Independents that will sit on their hands. Republicans will lose Democrats back to Obama, and many Ron Paul Republicans (Ron Paul or Bust!). If we are truely talking about (Anybody but Obama) then the polls do say, if Ron Paul has the nomination, he has the most Independent and Democratic support.
Here is what I dont understand. It’s like he’s staring the Tea Party in the face and we’re all being steered by the media. It’s like the Tea Party took over the Republican party, made gains, and then got absorbed by the Republican Establishment. We lose credibility, IMO, if we back anyone but Paul or Bachmann. We cant, all of a sudden, be FOR bank bailouts.
Lets think about who will support the Tea Party Movement. Didnt we put in Rand Paul? He’s fighting hard for the Tea Party. Wont Ron Paul ask his supporters, from the bully pulpit, to move hard to change out the seats in the Houses?? Isnt that the Tea Party Goal??
When they attack his foreign policy we can point to the troops donations. Our Military has donated more to Ron Paul’s Foreign Policy than to all the other candidates combined. The numbers are eyeopening.
There has been unquestioned media bias. I honestly find it sad. The headlines should have read “TEA PARTY BACKS GODFATHER”. Its a free buy of millions of dollars in free airtime. He’s so easy to back. He gives the Tea Party a boost regardless.
Anyway…..I look at the top of this page. It says…..FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, CONSTITUTIONALLY LIMITED GOVERNMENT, FREE MARKETS. Are those just taglines to get memebers and call them Tea Party, or, is that what we really believe?
Wake up this guy is telling the truth join the OWS. That statement up above is just a lie they aren’t doing anymore then they were doing before. UNITE. Our idealogys can be worked out after we win the revolution. We the people must take this government before we can accomoplish anything. The forefathers of this country fought the enemy first then settled the details afterwards. Don’t let them split us like this. DOn’t let the republican have this movement. Be tea partiers but join the OWS like me we need to let them know the day of media rule is OVER.
TJ.. regardless of who wins the nomination, Ron Paul, and ALL the other candidates had best use their bully pulpits to help elect senators and house members. Only THEY can repeal Obama care. Only THEY can change the laws, defund big government, etc..
The MAIN job of the POTUS is foreign policy. Newt and Huntsman have the best credentials there, not RP, Romney, Bachman, etc… This is a JOB interview. National security is the #1 Job of the POTUS.. The Economy (and fixing it) is the job of the Congress to repeal bad laws and put appropriate protections in place so NO POTUS can use executive powers to tinker with the reams of regulations and implement his own personal agenda..
RP does not illustrate a sufficient depth in international affairs.. That’s one china shop I don’t want a bull running around in… Isolationism is almost worse than appeasement. We need a POTUS willing to work with allies and enemies alike, not someone who’d just shrug and say “not our job… let’s go home from everywhere.”
It’s a small world my friend, we are a part of it and must play a leadership role.. Newt will provide that. I think Huntsman would also do a good job there.. But RP is not the guy for delicate foreign negotiations.. Sorry…
Our Military has donated more money to Ron Paul than all the other Republicans candidates combined. Say that three times fast.
We can discuss foreign policy until we’re blue in the face. What I would like to point out is that Ron Paul does not advocate an Isolationist Foreign Policy. The Isolationists you fear want to build walls on the boarder and restrict trade with China and put up sanctions on Iraq and Iran.
We have been sold a bill of goods. We know the Iraq WAR was based on lies and promoted by campaign style propoganda. Dont buy it all over again!!! Our Military, that is donating more to Ron Paul than all the other candidates combined, are telling you this. Please listen to them.
TJ..
RP has been a PART of the Libertarian movement for a long time. Libertarian and conservative are not the same thing. He’s running as GOP because he KNOWS he can’t win anything as a 3rd party.
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You may THINK we were sold a bill of goods about Iraq but I hate to tell ya, WMD was NOT the reason we went in.. 9/11 was as the recognition that a Stalinists totalitarian regime growing in strength, engaging in all manner of human atrocity, is not conducive to our National Security… even if they only have bows & arrows..
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National Security is not about what weapon the enemy might have, it’s about the fact they ARE the enemy. History taught us that by ignoring the Rise of Hitler in Europe, we let a little tyrant grow to almost consume the world.
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So look beyond WMD and heed Louis Lamour, one of the greatest American story teller’s, who said “there are no dangerous weapons, only dangerous men.” The Iraq war was about getting rid of Saddam Insane… not WMD.. not oil.. but to kill a disease before it grew BIGGER..
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Ya gotta look at the big picture, bro.
Nora, I believe in the rule of law, not the rule of mob. Our elected officials only take one oath. You promote exporting violence and wonder why the world is more violent. You’re promoting invading and starting WARs to prevent WARs and speak of it like it is a good thing. How many lies will you accept from your government?
Nora,
I beleive in the rule of LAW, not the rule of MOB. Our elected officials only take one oath. You are discussing a policy of starting WARs to prevent WARs and speaking on it like it is a good thing. We’re exporting violence and wondering why the world is more violent. How many lies will you accept from your government???
Nora’s all about killing a million people to take one man out. I think there’s other ways to do this. There was a time when the U.S. wasn’t hatted like we are today…it was when we weren’t the rest of the world what to do! We didn’t attack Russia and they had evil leaders and everything has changed there for the better and they are by far more dangerous than Hussein was to us. Empires that police the world fail. Your way of thought is that if I have a neighbor that threatens me or talks bad about me…I should go kill him and his family to…everyone around him…even though the others were nice people. Who’s really the evil one here?
America is in danger of being forced to be another socialist fiefdom. The free world is in turmoil and the marxist left with radical muslim allies are threatening all. Santorum and Bachmann will take a stand. Ron Paul has said he will sit in his house(inside our borders) and watch the mugging and rape of people outside in the name of The Constitution’s limits under all circumstances.
Please don’t allow others to make up your mind. This fight is for all the big marbles. This election wil decide the direction we go. This election fight is US against obummer and his statist regime. Who will win that fight as POTUS? THAT is the question.
I find it so hard to believe that tea party members would not be 100% behind Ron Paul. I look at other tea party websites and he is the only one who fits all of the principles. The tea party has been around for quite some time but I really doubt the party would have had the momentum it had if not for the Ron Paulers after the 2008 election. I look at the top of this page where it says our mission and it says this “The Tea Party Patriots’ mission is to restore America’s founding principles of Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government and Free Markets.” That is Ron Paul all the way and his over 20 years of showing that he will not waiver from the principles. Ron Paul has been fighting the FED. He speaks out against them more than anyone. He has also brought awareness that government has no oversight of the FED which also makes it difficult for him to fight the FED. Cain was against auditing the FED before it became a convenience to switch positions. He then said it was because we are much more in debt today. Ron Paul tried to stop the mess before it happened, but I guess most people just want someone who sounds good or looks good but really has no substance. If you truly want a smaller federal government then there is only one choice, Ron Paul.
The Newt/Romney race is a scam that is endorsed by the Tea Party leadership.
Ron Paul is our only Tea Party believer, and yet the Tea Party wants to endorse 2 candidates that have nothing what so ever with Tea Party positions. The 2010 elections was NOT about the GOP. The entire Tea Party movement was created, and mobilized BECAUSE of the traitorous GOP establishment. Kinda like Newt pretending to be a conservative when he’s crafting the communist Fairness Doctrine.
RON PAUL 2012!!! It’s time for the Tea Party Patriots to go all in for Ron Paul!!
Kitiger… when a huge percentage of TPP folk (and others) show you so many reasons why Newt is preferred over RP you might want to closely listen to their reasons. Standing for certain principles does not a President make. I know LOTS of folk, good folk, who stand for the same principles who would also not be qualified for POTUS..
Being POTUS is about more than just speaking on ideas, or the constitution. All must do that and do. There are other skills required, experiences needed, and unfortunately, regardless of if you find it easy or hard to believe, RP does not have those other skill requirements. It’s that simple.. Nice guy.. holes in resume.. Sorry.
Nora,
How easy is it to turn that on its head?
“when a huge percentage of TPP folk (and others) show you so many reasons why Newt is preferred over RP you might want to closely listen to their reasons.”
The huge percentages I see are saying Ron Paul. You might want to listen closely to their reasons.
Personally I feel it might be hard to find a ‘huge percentage of TPP folk” for Newt. He supported the bank bailouts.
TJ… the recent TPP poll, Dec 18th, of 23,000 members had only 3% for RP. So that’s 97% against RP. Newt was top at 31%… So that is a HUGE percentage NOT for RP.
What are you both talking about? The Tea Party is US. How can you say the Tea Party supports two candidates. We are the Tea Party and we have differing views of the Candidates as you can see in all these postings. Before we can get to all of the issues we need to win an elections which will be down and dirty.Republicans do not own the Tea Party Movement. Remember that. Ron Paul and Michelle Bachment have helped the Movement but they are NOT the Tea Party. We The People Are….and of mixed Political persuasions.
Hi Deloras.. not sure what two you are referring to, but the TP pool shows support for all the candidates, at different percentages.. Newt on top 31% , RP near bottom 3% only above Housman at 0.3% .. The remainder % spread over the others.
Bachman may have formed the tea party caucus in Washington and became the chairwoman but even she has stated things outside the scope of what the president should be doing. If she was behind the constitution 100% she would understand that the wars we are in are undeclared and therefore we should bring our troops home. Everyone says Ron Paul is completely wrong about foreign policy and we talk about Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan mostly. But Israel prime minister says Ron Paul has it right, Ron Paul gets the most military support than any of the other candidates combined, and 70% of Americans are tired of the fear mongering and the wars. So really, if you want to beat Obama and not lose with another McCain, then Ron Paul is the best choice.
I just heard her on Orielly say that tea partiers need to back any republican they put up there. Yeah Bachman bought paid for conservative republican garbage party. Christians we have no party. We still aren’t being represented. Join the OWS let them know we stand united. All together to stop this nonsense game they play with us. Its spiraling out of control anyway. So one way or another we all will be together at some point. We can’t wait for them to make an automated army. If they get that far we won’t have any use to them anymore and its game over we die without tearing up the world.
Here is how “THE FIX” works: Dems nominate a globalist/socialist & RePubs a globalist/fascist; both associated with Rockefeller’s Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) & Trilateral Commission (TC). Then the duped voters, vote for “the lesser of two evils”. All other parties and candidates are eliminated with the help of the owned Lame Stream Media (LSM).
The Repub Party NEOCON “leadership”, is the Fascist/Warfare arm of the Banker’s CFR/TC/Bilderberg NWO agenda. With unlimited financing & LSM control, Repub voters choices are limited to CFR members with the same NWO agenda. Obama continues the Banker’s NWO agenda . The Int’l Banksters got what they wanted either way; the further elimination of our liberties and Constitution, and the continued raiding of our treasury.
Their own words follow – “An end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece,
will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal attack”
– Richard Gardner in CFR publication – Foreign Affairs – April, 1974.
“Actions at the multinational level will be needed, if the process of international relocation of industries is to be accelerated in an organized fashion..”
Trilateral Commission Report #23, 1982
All I have to say is that at the end of the day, we better all be on board to support whoever the nominee is for the Republican party or we are doomed to 4 more years of this Obama nightmare! If someone goes rogue & splits the vote, we are sunk. I am in the tank for “anybody but Obama!” His socialist regime needs to go but if he wins this election in 2012, he will declare himself dictator & there may not be any more elections. Please stay on point! You all have to admit, anyone up on the stage debating for the Republican nomination is far better than what we have now. I know we all have our favorites but the ultimate goal is to get rid of Obama & the abomination that is Obamacare – all candidates have vowed to get rid of it.
Amen, Terry..
Hang In There Baby! You and Terry have it Right!
Hi Terry,
I agree, but I’m afraid we’re doing the same thing we did back in 08. WE ended up narrowing the field to two progressives….Obama and McCain. We did it last time and we’re about to do it again because WE tea party’ers are afraid (yes, we apparently are a bunch of cowards and that term applied to me until yesterday) that our real choices won’t fly. How sad that we of all peoples cannot even make an honest, conservative choice amongst ourselves. We rant that we stand for this and this and this, and then turn around and support someone who is clearly for THAT. Why? Because boohoo, sob, sniffle, our guy/gal isn’t good enough for the independents. Why bother with a tea party? We don’t need all this organization just to vote for one of THEM. And, I do apologize for the “holier than though” attitude and I know that you don’t think of yourselves as cowards. I’ll state your answer to me here… “the person must be electable and (Gingrich or Romney or whomever) is BETTER THAN OBAMA”. I said the very same thing up until yesterday when Beck FINALLY convinced me otherwise.
Look at the latest fruits of labor from McCain, our last “conservative” creation and disaster – http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/12/05/the-national-defense-authorization-act-is-the-greatest-threat-to-civil-liberties-americans-face/
Who is that guy? Did you see the bestiality clause in this thing? What kind of people write things like this? Here’s what it says basically :
“It is now legal for United States military personnel to have sex with animals”.
“I’m John McCain and I support this message”
Not to mention the clause where the government can come drag you away without due process (and I know the lawyer speaks in there can be argued). It is the “framework of the language” set in place for midnight tweeks. Think about it….why would they put something in writing that we can already do and have done since the beginning of our history? We don’t ask whether we can detain an enemy combatant. We just do it out of common sense.
The Nation Defense Authorization Act – Sections 1031 and 1032 were penned by progressives Carl Levin and John McCain just especially for you and me. This is about detaining Americans, not foreigners…imho.
We must develop some backbone and go ahead and vote in conservatives who support our Constitution. Gingrich is a progressive ! I LOVE his debating skills and he’s got some measure or charisma. But, we cannot compromise! He lies, time and time and time again. The man lies, just as the progressives do. Drop the radical pose for the radical end….
He says he is a progressive ! And, Romney? Mr. socialist healthcare guy. Really?
Come on, let’s all take a deep breath and choose a real candidate…not their Obama-lite candidate….again.
p.s. – sorry for the attitute. I don’t like it when folks get in my face either. But, I really finally got it last night. And, yes; Glenn Beck finally got through to me. You know he’s right. Deep down, you know he’s right.
Jeff…
Stop the lies.. the law does NOT say that at all.. here is the summation..
Key Values Provisions
o Conscience Clause Protection for Military Chaplains: The bill includes a provision that protects chaplain’s rights to not perform same sex marriages. The legislation stipulates that a military chaplain who, as a matter of conscience or moral principle, does not wish to perform a marriage may not be required to do so.
o Prohibition on Sodomy: The legislation retains current Uniform Code of Military Justice prohibition on sodomy and bestiality. The Senate version of the NDAA included language that repealed the current prohibitions on sodomy.
o Transportation Benefits: The Conference report excluded any language that granted transportation benefits for same sex partners and keeps current law in place. Current law ensures that transportation benefits, including family relocations, are not inadvertently extended to same sex partners.
Here is the link… http://rsc.jordan.house.gov/UploadedFiles/LB_121411_Conference_Report_on_H_R_1540_NDAA.pdf
And the OTHER LIE being spun… that the bill eliminates the rights of citizens to due process…. is also a bunch of BS… here’s the copy on that.
“The legislation requires that nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States. Section 1022 reaffirms to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States and does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.”
Remember “The Boy who Cried Wolf” fable’s moral? Once you lie, no one will believe ANYTHING you say after that. So post truth or go elsewhere. You are entitled to an OPINION… you are not entitled to lie about factuality to fear monger and inflame the public. It’s a principles thing..
In the face of a war, a strong economy is one of the greatest edges a nation can have. And no candidate is more fluent on economic matters than Ron Paul. But why would anyone believe what the media is telling them, in regards to foreign policy, or anything for than matter. The media is bought and owned by the government, they will put out whatever the government tells them to. The simple fact is, WAR IS THE ULTIMATE FAILURE OF GOVERNMENT!!!! If a government gets its people into a military conflict with another nation, than all those responsible should be voted out.
Governments love warMedia Loves warBanks Love warMilitary industrial complex loves warGenerals love war, ( they get to play out their ideas in the real world)Wall street loves war.
Does anyone see the forces aligned against the middle class, and the people in general. There are those who stand to profit from war, in the tune of billions of dollars. War is simply another way for them to increase their wealth and influence. Its a crud reality, but their are people out their who will allow thousands to die, so they can make billions in profits. The innate nature of man has not changed in the last 2000 years, and will not ever change. Man kind is a greedy vicious race, this the founding fathers realized. Getting involved in other nations disputes, is something they tried to prevent with our constitution. I will preach the constitution till the day i die, and nowhere do i see in it, where it authorizes the USA to give foreign aid to sovereign nations. Tax payer dollars should not be given to other nations, this is simply international socialism. As Tea Party leaders i would hope you are all against spread the wealth socialist schemes. Socialism is something we should stand against, not just domestically but internationally.
I for one realize how smart the Democrats are in comparison to the Republicans. In an election year (2008) when they new they were going to win the election for two reasons. 1 because Bush was a horrible president. 2 America was tired of republican wars. What did they do, they elected the most radical president to advance their cause. They new they were going to win, in the face of victory, they jumped at the opportunity to elect communist Obama.
What are the republicans doing in the face of almost certain victory for the next election. Parading Newt Gingrich and Romney, are you serious? How in the hell do these guys represent Free Markets, Fiscal Responsibility and constitutional governance? They don’t these two candidates are Obama with an R next to there name. Both have supported Obama’s individual mandate on health care, they should be stoned of stage. So instead of taking a practical strategy, and electing our constitutions most adherent defender, and promoting him, we squabble over crap like ” Israel cant defend themselves.”
FAKE REPUBLICANS ARE THE REASON THE MIDDLE CLASS DOESN’T VOTE ANYMORE!!!! Why vote if they are all the same? Im sure you have heard this before, and i’m sure it was from a hard working American who just wants the government to leave them alone. Because of fake republicans, who compromise their principles, these voters stay home. Every time a republican compromises his principles with a Democrat who is not principled, the republican looses.
Herman Cain said stupid people are ruining America, on the contrary. Fake republicans are ruining America!
Manuel.. “There is a tide in the affairs of men….” All you stated others see and believe.. the cliff at our feet is pretty darn obvious. All the candidates want to turn the ship on to a safer course. RP is only one of multiple.. he’s your guy, so you feel a deep loyalty. But he’s not the only one singing the TP song…
All the candidates endorse our beliefs. Each may have a slightly different approach to the specifics of “The Fix” but that’s OK as it airs all the views and educates the public on the possible pathways to revitalization of America.
Don’t be upset with your TP peers if their guy is not your guy (or gal). We each see things in our preferred candidates. I could say “I don’t believe how you can back RP for POTUS” and state a list of reasons.. I won’t as you are entitled to your views. But don’t be too worried when RP does not get the nomination.. our TP mission is becoming the mission of all of them.
An observation: concerning the current state of opinion-driven disingenuous disinformation, otherwise known as the senseless proselytizing coming from most among the ‘chattering classes’ these days. If the actual unemployed under-employed rate is near 20% today (not the 8, 9-something percent the ‘government’ claims) it’s fair to say that 80% of our nation’s work-capable adults are still gainfully employed. Accepting this 80% number as fact I’ve a message for all of you employed folks who, presumably, are on ‘our’ side of the ideological war. If you think things in this nation (and the world) are going in the wrong direction now you have not seen the worst of it yet! To be honest, not nearly enough of you are as afraid of the near future as you should be. Mr. Obama and all the rest of his party’s egocentric psychopathic masterminds, who are running our government today, are Fascist-Left Monsters: period! The already deeply embedded damage these soulless [censored] have inflicted on our society will be a monumental challenge for any real red-blooded American (conservative or otherwise) President to overcome; and all by himself or herself, they will not be able to overcome it! I’m only slightly sorry to say this but Mr. Romney (the preferred Boehner, Cantor candidate) is not up to the job. However I’m in no way sorry to say this: Ron Paul is an absolute joke. Many of Congressman Paul’s supporters ‘live’ in a surreal fantasyland (tinfoil hat conspiracy theory) world; and most of them, apparently (just like most on the Alinsky Left), have way too much free time on their hands. I know most of us sane people wrote off ex-speaker Gingrich years ago when he sat on that ‘couch’ next to the San Francisco [censored] Nancy Pelosi; and I’m certainly not in his ‘camp’ now. But the simplistic notion that Mr. Gingrich is compared to Mr. Obama just the lesser of two “big-government progressive” evils is a gross understatement of exponential (or dare I say, biblical) proportions. Let us face facts here: ‘we’ were instrumental in the Republican Party’s ‘recapture’ of the House back in 2010; but to our dismay they’ve largely capitulated before the Marxist Demagogue and his’ mass-media allies. At this stage of the primary process almost no one running on ‘our’ side of the aisle is inevitable; unless, of course, ‘we’ allow Obama’s and/or the RINO establishment’s ‘propaganda ministries’ (the un-American media) to pick our candidates for us.
How quickly we forget about Newt balancing the budget. How he has stated that he will exempt all states from Obamacare. I believe his answers on his past decisions. I like the fact that not many of congress like him. Ron, Rick and Michele all look like they don’t belong on the same stage as Newt. He will wipe the floor with Obama in every debate. So, with the Republicans in charge of the house, and when we get more conservatives in the Senate, they will Keep Newt in check. If you people really want some conservative working ideas, you need to start backing Jim Demint and the wonderful work he is doing on getting more conservatives in the Senate (not Rhinos, like George Bush, Lindsy Grahman, and John McCain)
I know i don’t want Ron Paul as President,Reasons he is to weak,Iran is a real threat to our National Security,While Ron Paul is sitting talking Iran will be trying to Nuke us,if we ever needed a president to stand up to Iran it is now,Mitt Romney can’t be trusted he changes with the wind just to suit his ambitions,I am stating who we don’t need for sure and its them 2,The rest of the field are proven leaders that i will sill be studying that will stand up to our Enemies,It doesn’t matter if the Economy gets fixed if we have Nuclear bombs going off to knock out all the Grids its all for nothing..Peace be with you…
There is one consistent conservative, Tea-Party candidate in the race. The founder of the House TEA-PARTY Caucus, Michele Bachmann!!
Hi Greg.. Michele lost points big time by spinning into the zone of disingenuousness. I liked her for VP before she began saying Newt’s statement about a resident alien were amnesty.. I want someone who HONESTLY presents what her PEERS are saying, not someone who tries to spin statements to personal advantage.. Was Bad Form (As Captain Hook would say.. in “Hook”) not cricket…
Character matters and Newt may launch a zinger as an attack rebuttal, but he does not trash his peers. He’s smart enough to know (1) we don’t like that, an (2) if he wins POTUS those peers are part of his pool for cabinet posts. ALL would make great cabinet members .
Political leadership is all about working with peer level leaders, not autocratic subordinates. Newt displays respect for his peers and gives credit where credit is due. Michelle needs a bit more seasoning before she’s ready.. 2020 maybe..
You speak as if you know Newt personally or is this what you have heard and read? I have seen some very disturbing things about Newt. He is an intelligent man but he knows it and I believe uses it to his advantage when trying to support some of his past positions,
Newt is an insider and part of the establishment. His favorite President Progressive FDR
Free Markets are going to fail soon you all realize we are circling the drain right? Greed will always create corruption is that any surprize? Greed is evil the bible is clear on that. So why keep doing the insane thing over and over again.. Monetary classes will always enslave the other half or MORE THEN HALF. We have a chance to change all this why does any man want to rule over others? Vanity. You have a republic and expect anything other then vanity to come out of it. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson? they a portrayed as gods or apostles of Jesus. These men were free mason and set this country up because they didn’t want to pay their taxes. They wanted to be the economic slave owners not the economic slaves. These men are nothing to emulate. WAKE UP. Vain people love adoration its very sick. If I was the leader of the OWS I’d be sickened by anyone making a Sadam bust of me to sit in washington square. I’d be sickened by the fact that they made a washington square to me if I was washington….. WAKE UP the bible doesn’t support the Vain. You don’t see Isiah in washingtons monuments. Or even Jesus monument which should be as big at least as washingtons shouldn’t it for that matter. No Moses, No Peter, Paul. These are real leaders not washingtons, Jefferson slave owners.
There are those who might identify with the T.E.A. party that support Newt. There are those who use the tea party name to self promote who support Newt. Most people I know that ARE T.E.A. party don’t support Newt.
“I must wonder if he’s not just another big-talking Establishment guy with a fabulous P.R. machine.”
Is the author brain dead? Ron Paul has a strong grass roots foundation. I can’t even address the “Establishment” description. The Tea Party needs to do better than this. Vote for Ron Paul.
RUN LIKE HELL CHRISTINE ODONNEL ENDORSED ROMNEY. Thats the end of the tea party. Mitt is not what we wanted. This is the Christine Odonnel party now.
A MORMON CHRISTINE ODONNEL THINKS WE SHOULD ELECT A MORMON. We have not one evangelical and thats her answer wonder how much Mitt paid for the Tea Party? This is not what we orginally wanted this new mission is crap. We wanted CHRISTIANS people that could represent US>
Wrong!! Ron Paul is the answer you dweeb. Gingrich is more run of the mill. Gingrich is more progressive than any of the others. You want “one world government”? … then Gingrich is your man. Gingrich is a guy that will say whatever is necessary at the time to get elected. Both Gingrich and Romney are flip floppers. My vote is for the only consistent candidate of the bunch. Remember this: The Tea Party was born from Ron Paul’s 2008 campaign. And Ron Paul is the TRUE TEA PARTY’S CANDIDATE. You sir, are NOT a Tea Party member… you’re just faking to be one to manipulate this race away from Ron Paul.
Ice the Tea Party has been infiltrated and taken over by the those asses we were protesting in the first place. Ron Paul is definately the only canidate that represented the Tea Party I once knew. FUCK THIS I’M VOTING FOR OBAMA. We got to teach these damn republicans they can’t do this to us. I’m so damn mad about christine odonald and now the gov. of SC claiming to be tea party for ROMNEY? This cult MF er is our representative? FUCK NO
Dion, There are TPP folk who support each candidate. Not all will like the one you like, or the one I like best. You need to keep in mind that the Republican Party is just a vehicle. It’s a corporate entity, and the Tea Party is running a majority of their candidates under the GOP banner. Not as independents because it’s the smart thing to do. It’s what RP is doing.
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Each of the candidates is campaigning on the values of the Tea Party, and we have developed the mechanics of keeping them aware we are watching them when they get elected. This is what the public SHOULD do as it influences all their decisions.
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RP is only one, of many who have been trying to yank the runaway liberal mess back toward the right path. He’s not the only one, and in the eyes of 97% of TPP’s polled, Dec 18th not the best pick.
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So don’t get mad at your peers who don’t think RP is the Messiah. Have a bit of faith that no matter WHICH one wins, we will be there and visible and active to REMIND the winner of our expectations and hold them to campaign promises.
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A vote for O-bungler out of spite is a childish decision and does not further the conservative cause.
We will not be doomed to another 4 years of Obama if Ron Paul is the nominee because he is the only candidate that offers a True contrast. Romney and Newt both sound very little from Obama. The problem with Romney and Newt is that you will still have health care and a war with Iran. And it’s about time we take the shackles off of Israel and allow them to do what they need to do to protect themselves.
Ron Paul will give the People a REAL choice because his policies are so different than the rest. All the rest are following the game plan. Don’t believe it? Look at who finances their campaigns. They would just be “puppets” and we’ve had enough of them.
Who cares if we are doomed to Obama did we get in this party so we can get McCained again with Romney? We got into this to make a damn stand and now we got Romney? Vote for Ron Paul no matter what. Ron is the only person onto the fed reserve game. Romney flips flops Oh shit I can’t believe what I’m hearing from tea party now.
Dion, get a grip dear.. Only about 20% liked Romney.. That means 80% don’t.
#s: Newt 31%, Bachman 28%, Romney 20%, Santorum 16%, Paul 3%, Perry 2%, Huntsman 0.34%. TPP poll, Dec 18th, 23,000 conference call participants.
Newt is not what we want! He is a total progressive. Ron Paul’s foreign policy ideas are loony tunes. Michelle is great but needs more experience, and can’t win against Obama. Romney is bigger government than we need or want, but he does seem to have some conservative ideas and a lot of experience in private sector business, and he has executive experience, and he could beat Obama.
BUT, Rick Santorum is a true conservative. He can win against Obama, he has great common sense, conservative ideas. The debates don’t do him justice or really they don’t do us justice. Five minute, quicky answers just doesn’t give them enough time to really talk and allow us to really see where they are coming from. Go to Rick Santorum’s website, read his articles. He has a lot of good things to say. He’s a smart guy. Don’t let what some people see as a low-key personality color your opinion. He’s a fighter.
As I analyze the whole race, I see that Gingrich might not win afterall. I actually think there is one candidate who has perfectly timed his/her rise, infact, this candidate is 100% conservative, and is brilliant! This candidate probably won’t win Iowa, but will probably get either 2nd or 3rd.
Michele Bachmann. No further comment….
Why does everyone focus on these 3 candidates…What about Perry. Perry is a great candidate, yes he needs serious help explaining his points and debating, but he is a serious contender if you know and are clear on where he stands and why. If you are not a border state resident then you don’t understand the immigration issue very well and therefore can’t make a decision based on ignorant commentators who don’t know it either. perry lost a lot of support because of people that have no clue how to deal with immigration issues and the illegals that are already in this country, well Perry does and he has repeatedly asked for help from the fedgov’t to step in and remove the illegals from Texas, including from our prisons which are full of them…the feds say no. The in-state tuition issue, well a lot of states have this same issue and they aren’t getting called out on it…do you even know what in-state tuition is about…if so you know it’s by no means a free ride by the taxpayer it’s a break in cost because the illegals wanting to better themselves have grown up in our grade schools and they will gladly pay for a college education. It again is not put on the taxpayer….and yet you don’t hear anyone bashing the other states that have this.
Newt is on the progressive plane along with Obama, Newt has supported almost all of UN Agenda 21 goals more control over our schools, NAFTA, he said that the only way the USA could be a world leader is get rid of the constitution. He supported Obama’s new school program, he was in ads with Princes Nancy supporting green energy, and he was for global warming before he was against it. Newt has done more harm to America than good he is a chameleon he becomes a member of the party in power. Newt has no sole.
I don’t trust Perry, Gingrich or Romney. Perry tried to build the NAFTA Super Highway in TX and loves illegal workers, because TX business owners have told him to. Gingrich is as trust worthy as a used car sales man. He’s part of the problem with federal govt. He wants it bigger and he too loves illegal residents. No doubt Romney will advocate for big business, but he verbally supports E-Verify. However, it’s not mentioned on his website or any of his books. Ron Paul makes the most sense, until he speaks about foreign policy. It’s extremely difficult for a liberterian to get elected. They rock the boat and people get sea sick. Everyone wants to believe their entitlements are safe.
As for Herman Cain, he deserved what he got. I suspect the resturant assc., which hires illegals, plotted against him, but I think he’s GUILTY.
They only thing I’m sure of, is I’ll vote for “Anybody, but OBAMA ! ”
If Alfred E Newman, of Mad Magazine won the nomination, I’d vote for him. I would love to see Ron Paul win the nomination or even become VP, but I don’t believe it’s possible.
We have to realize that we at war. Not a normal election cycle. We are fighting for the Constitution. We are fighting for smaller government, greater opportunity within America and our childrens future. The Tea Party has to take the gloves off. We have to go after every Democrat the same as the Democrats are going after us. National ads should be developed showing staving children, dieing seniors and homeless people because of Democratic policy. Recently, in Ohio Issue 2 was defeated by Unions running ads showing houses being broken into, houses on fire and injuries going unattended because the Unions benefits were being taken away. How did we respond, we talked about a brighter future.
We are at war. Let’s act like it.
Gingrich is for Gingrich. PERIOD. end of discussion. We as Teaparty people represent truth, and as such we do not ‘make do’ we make the right decision, do the right thing, even when it hurts. I will NEVER vote for gingRICH, or Powder Puff Romney, Never, I will vote for Santorum perhaps, or for Bachman because they have morals, do not change their opinion every two minutes and so on. come on guys, do whats right, vote for real change, gingrich? really? what a good ole boy he is, been in the loop for how many decades, and hes gonna help us out? You gotta b e kidding me. Herman was the guy for me, maybe he will come back in the race. Other than that, I am definitely getting on my knees before God as I have lost all hope in our government. Its not by the people, for the people or OF the people anymore. Nope, not at all at all at all. un uh.
Seems like TP enthusiasts care more about defeating Obama than reigning in big government. If no one in the TP is willing to push aside social or national defense conservatism for the sake of fiscal conservatism, then drop the TP prefix and go back to just being Republicans.
If Ron Paul doesn’t win the nomination or run independently, I see no reason to vote. Obama versus Newt, Rom, Bach, etc. I’ll just sleep through the election if those are the choices. Republicans deserve Obama if these are the only candidates they consider “Serious”.
I think that our candidates are the best one again we have to pick the lesser of evils !!! romney is a snake in the grass , he has danger writen all over him . perry the same , he was a dem first so he can not be trusted. newt i think he is a player in big gov and knows the game ,just not convinced. ron paul he started off ok but soon put his foot in his mouth and let us know he could harm the the usa . cain i liked and still do , the dems made sure to get ride of him because he was danger to them and big gov. bachmann i think is the one because she very vocal ,is on the outside of the washington inner circle big gov , i like her but need more time . i would have voted for trump because him and cain or bachmann would have saved this country . America is in big trouble after the vote in 2012 and the dems has everyone doing what they want with our candidates . with cain gone no threat to them and they no bachmann does not have a chance so the other candidates they can buy or already own.Iam ready for the defeat in 2012 but when they come for our country I will take out as many as i can !!!! may god bless America again …i hope!!!!!!but we have shut him out !!! well i hope you all have a good plan in your hearts for our children and their children for this country , from where i stand the liberal dems have us on the run and America GONE one world gov !!!! thanks for listening …….god bless , merry christmas and happy new years…….shaun
I also jumped on the Newt bandwagon a month or so ago. I didn’t know him well enough though and Beck finally convinced me. Gingrich is a big government progressive, plain and simple. Outwardly I like the guy too. He’s a fantastic debater, but he’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He changes position right and left (literally) and is in my view now the most dangerous candidate other than Obama to our Constitution. And, yes I like that he balanced a budget, but that is not enough reason to vote in any progressive.
It took a lot of convincing, but I believe Beck is absolutely right…we need to pick a true conservative. Bachmann or Santorum it appears. I also like Ron Paul, but I agree that his foreign policy is very scary. Although, part of me thinks “ok, let the crazy little guy have at it”. After all, Obama is about ten times more spooky than Ron Paul.
I like both Bachmann and Santorum, but I choose Santorum mostly because Bachmann speaks too slowly. She reminds me of the Romper Room lady. Her slow deliberate speaking would drive me crazy. I would like to know more about Huntsman though. Is he a conservative or yet another progressive in disguise?
Jeff
I just don’t understand what is going on here. I was here on December 16th, 2007 with the people that donated 6 million dollars to a real constitutionalism small Government candidate.
I walked on D.C. with 10′s of thousands of people that next summer.
We are the ones that really started this small Government modern day Tea Party…and for some reason in the past 2 years or so it has been hijacked by people who defend the status quo “frontrunners”
All I can say is follow the record and not what they are saying right now. Anyone can change their tone of voice to fit the current audience, but what you cannot do is change your history. We all know Newt is not a small Government candidate. He may have a few votes mixed in here and there for certain things we like, but he also has a ton of negative big Government votes…with a BIG Government track record.
So please don’t vote for Newt because he is the “front runner” and the most conservative out of the big establishment candidates…vote on record. When are we going to STOP with the establishment candidates that just say what they think the current audience wants to hear to only get into office and do more of the same establishment things.
Nothing changes with these guys besides the D and the R. Big Government continues as usual if you vote for any of these guys.
On top of that you are using national polls to tell me who is leading and who isn’t. We all know national polls mean nothing right now. Iowa and NH are the only two places that matter at the moment.
Stop listening to the media and vote for who you feel is the best small Government candidate.
I cannot believe the article I just read. You say that GINGRICH is talking a Tea Party game stronger than anybody else?!?!?! This party is being more and more co-opted by the GOP establishment and it’s embarrassing. Bookman is right. By making do with the “best available-and viable”, you are going against your own principles. You are supporting somebody because you believe they can defeat Obama. Well, Hillary Clinton can beat him too. Are you going to support her next? Gingrich is just another guy. These people are all the same. They both are proponents of acting outside of the constitution and rule of law. They are all for big government and big spending. The liberals want to spend on social programs, and the Republicans want to spend it on militarism. They have the same principles, they just execute them differently. And your question “I must wonder if he’s not just another big-talking Establishment guy” is further proof that you have no idea of what you’re talking about. Look at the voting record my friend.
You get mad because Paul has made negative comments towards the GOP. Well, why do you think the Tea Party was established? It’s because thousands and thousands of people felt that the GOP had gotten off course and away from limited, constitutional government. Vote on principles. When you vote for these candidates who support the individual mandate and have a history of “big government”, you just send the message that the Tea Party and the rest of the GOP will support those types of candidates, thus compromising the very reason for the Tea Party’s existence.
Scott the tea party has been infiltrated and destroyed by republican secret societys. The ows having no leadership is the right idea. It may look funny until they find away but you can’t infiltrate it and destroy it like they did here.
Dion… you are wrong, dear. I work with many TP’ers and with GOP as well and neither has taken over the other. TP candidates are running in GOP primaries so you can be assured (if you need it) that quite a few GOP’ers are not too thrilled about that. Others (the smarter ones) welcome the influx of new blood and are supportive.
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But it’s not a take over by either.. it’s more like a delicate tap dance being performed by elephants. LOL Lots of mistakes being made on both sides in the process of defining relationships between TP & GOP..
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If you think it’s some smooth conspiracy, all I can say is you are not working with both groups.. LOL All politics is local.. relationships are very much one-on-one stuff WAY WAY beyond the reach of any national thing… That’s one of the reasons all the local TP’s stay autonomous.. so they cannot be “ordered” to do anything by higher levels. There ARE no higher levels… our local groups all do their own thing.
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So stop worrying. What you see is not a take over, it’s just the TP saying who they prefer over Obama… The numbers will change (constantly) until the end of January.. Sit back and enjoy the show.
@Scott
Spot ON
GOP terrified
Ron Paul is the only, when people see Dr Paul wins IOWA, maybe folks understand.
my god, my comment is waiting for moderation!
It must be a site from GOP, not Tea Party!
This sucks
Never be back
So disappointed. Seems like the media gets to pick who the candidate is going to be. Where is the the tea party and where is our candidates? It sure is not Newt or Romney. Whats the use?
The liberal media will choose the candidate or candidates they feel will be easiest for Obama to beat. At this point it seems to be Newt #1 and Romney #2.
Let’s not let them choose the candidate we have to vote for.
Bachmann everyone! Santorum as the VP.
Well, all I can say is it’s going to be another year for me where I’m voting _against_ and not for
There is apparently NO one in the running for Republican nomination that is both actually Conservative and has a chance in blazes of winning the nomination. The “party” is fractured badly. There are so many problems that in my mind there is a very real risk of Obama being reelected! And if not Obama, then someone too much like him to make much of a difference 
We need a person in that office that Respects the Constitution – INCLUDING the Bill of Rights (in it’s ENTIRETY). Newt isn’t that person. Romney isn’t either – BY FAR. Both have clearly expressed their disavowal of that document through their actions and words. So, who’s left? Sure, Paul and Bachman seem to be largely conservative, but will conservatives and republicans unite behind them? It seems to me that too many so-called republicans are really not.
Heaven Help Us – because we need it.
FUCK YOU ASSHOLES THAT TOOK OVER THE TEA PARTY. ROMNEY FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU.
What would it take to create a primary challange to Obama? How do you get JOE MANCHIN, D. W.VA. in the race??? If the GOP “party guys” get their way, Romney will have the nomination. I can’t vote for him. (Yell all you want. I just can’t do it.) I could go along with Gingrich, but keeping a leash on him would be a BIG job.. Manchin could win his nomination. If that took place, we would win, too..
Haley wants a future in the party. Lets face it. She’s new to this business. She can be easily woo’d by power.. Bring her back. don’t shoot her..
I want to let all of you who are for Newt, that I agree with you 100% lets get behind him and help as much as we can
When Michele Bachmann won the Iowa straw poll, Newt did not attack her. Yet Bachmann seems to always go over-the-top with her fellow Republicans. Examples: Tim Palenty – she had honest differences with him but then compared him to Obama. She had differences with Rick Perry and the HPV vaccine program in Texas but went on the say it caused mental retardation. She had issues with Herman Cain’s 999 plan – Okay she’s a tax lawyer fair enough, but she went on to say 999 turned upside down was 666 and the devil was in the details. Now she’s hammering another front runner (Newt) and said HE kept the Freddie sceem going and is for infanticide. I love when Bachmann goes after Obama and Pelosi and Reid. I understand making distinctions with the field when you’re running in a primary. But come on, don’t poison the well Michele.
Well said, Rob.
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I used to like her UNTIL she started all the disingenuous dirty politics spin tactics. That shows a want of character. Newt has not engaged in that. Character is a NOW thing, it’s not about what mistakes folk may have made in the past during on their journey to wisdom.
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Character is about if the person has wisdom NOW to do what we feel is the right thing, and more importantly to me do it the right WAY. No politics of personal destruction.. stick to the issues we need to address for the FUTURE..
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The past is history viewed through the lens of 20/20 hindsight. Anyone can say “should a, could a.” but old stuff needs to be views in the context of it’s time. NOW we know what past mistakes WERE mistakes.. NOW we can acknowledge them and change course.
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That is what Newt is doing… I am hugely annoyed the other candidates are NOT standing behind Newt’s acknowledgement that liberal judges in runaway courts need to be brought before impeachment proceedings. That is how we are SUPPOSED to keep the balance of power.. BALANCED… Like DUH!
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But, Noooooooo, they jump on the smear train and do NOT stand up for our beliefs that judges should NOT be legislating from the bench.. Very counterproductive to our goals when we need UNITY of all conservatives.
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It’s their LACK of character in slandering what’s the right thing to do simply to TRY to gain personal advantage in the polls. That shows they believe the end justifies the means and have sold their souls to expediency. How can we trust them when they surrender their honer like that?
This is our letter to the People of Iowa who has the privilege to set the the course of our great nation.
Dear Fellow Conservatives in Iowa
On January 3, 2012 you are going to kick-off the GOP nomination process for our next POTUS candidate who we hope would restore and move America forward.
The rules in your State permit you to write down a potential Candidate’s name even if they are not on the list of official “Runners” for the Nomination.
Your vote will be significant, as it is the first, and you will have no prior results to influence your decision. Instead, you could set the trend for the voting in States after yours.
You are in a unique position because, of all GOP voters nationwide, you can feel free to truly vote FOR a Candidate, or even write down your preferred potential Candidate, who may well respond to a Draft Petition in the future. You have the liberty to actually write down the name of a person you really believe in;
Who is NOT4SALE
Whose record shows they have never been 4SALE
Who can be trusted
Who has fought corruption successfully in the past
Who has the Steel Spine to cut spending and reduce the enormous National Debt
Who has the right ideas and expertise with respect to the development of American Energy Resources
Who believes in empowering the American Entrepreneur by keeping taxes low, thus powering up JOBS, and
Who can, and will get America thriving again.
You Constitutional Conservatives in IOWA have the liberty to choose freely and vote your American Heart. You can write down the name of the Leader whom you judge to be the best equipped to serve America, in these days of peril with respect to The Constitution, if you so choose.
You are exhorted to prayerfully consider your decision as never before and to VOTE ROGUE if you are led to do so, and to defy those in the Permanent Political Class, the GOP Establishment and the Media who would attempt to manipulate you into following the path that *they* deem to be best for America.
Constitutional Conservatives all over the country will be praying for you concerning the decision you will make, as January 3rd 2012 approaches. May Divine Providence have His Hand upon you as you discuss these weighty matters with others in your State and prepare to cast your most significant vote, that your decision will set in motion a series of events, culminating in American Leadership which once again brings Honor to Our Creator, from Whom our rights are received and Who is the source of all Blessing, Liberty and Freedom.
A fighting nation will be awaiting your decision, your leadership, in this Battle for Constitutional America.
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“A Candidate doesn’t make the decision whether to run for President, The People do it for him.” – Ronald Reagan
Sarah Palin’s Iowa Earthquake
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being a Tea Party member to me is about freedom, not establishment of ANY kind, Tea Party establishment, nor Republican establishment. I joined the Tea Party for a host of reasons, as I am sure others did. Please do not decide for me, or say that I must not be a “true” Tea Party member,because I am not this or that. There is no purity in life, we can strive for it as we should, but even the Founding Fathers were not pure, and even at this time many of you would not have voted for them because of this or that..I trust my gut and listen to all, then decide. The fight for Freedom will go on long after this next President, and I am up to the fight!!
The conservative movement MUST unite behind whoever wins the nomination in order to beat Obama…united we stand, divided we lose to Obama the Marxist!
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http://www.galtsoneteaparty.com
http://twitter.com/#!/galts1teaparty
I don’t want to disparage anyone’s opinion, but the Tea Party’s perception of Newt
Gingrich is so far from reality that it is frightening. He is simply not a proponent of
small government as was evidenced by his support of government involvement in
housing through Fannie/Freddie. No one could be more offended by Obama’s agenda
than I, but neither could I vote for someone as emotionally erratic and megalomaniacal
as Newt. I BEG anyone supporting him to do his/her research. The facts are
overwhelming. I realize that the 2010 results have given the Tea Party confidence in
its choices. However, I am compelled to mention Christine O’Donnell, Sharon Angle,
Ken Buck and Joe Miller and that the psychology of the country is enormously less
positive for the far right. Not that Gingrich is the far right, but he could never and should
never be elected nationally (unless, of course, every other candidate dropped dead the
day of the election). This is the last election to preserve any hope of saving what is left of America. Don’t throw it away on Newt. He can NOT win the support of Independents
and only half of Republicans.
I’m a conservative retired Wall St so I fully understand the economy and what’s needed to turn this country around. I have unique insights given I’ve lived in AK (Palin country) Chicago Crook County IL, MA when Gov Romney was Gov and now UT (Huntsman who turned UT into a sanctuary state for illegals). I’m 62 so was around and politically active during the Gingrich era. I just listened to the straw poll and am totally befuddled on how many of my Tea Party Patriots can not see that if Newt is our nominee the democrats will make the general all about Newt not Obama and the economy which will guarantee Obama his 2nd term. We all know none of our candidates are100%. Reagan changed his mind on policy as well but we don’t blame him. I can honestly tell you that the only candidate on the stage who can turn this country around not just cutting and creating jobs and who understands global economy is Romney. Purests want Bachmann or Santorum but I don’t think either stand a chance in general. Please do your research on Romney don’t just do the ABR without knowing his stance. Check out WSJ on GSEs Fannie and Newt http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203699404577046312408153358.html?grcc=88888Z0&mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_opinion
Being a TP member since April 09, I am surprised that more TP peolpe are not supporting Michele Bachman. She has been there fighting with us and for us from the beginning. I appreciate that she is willing to bring up issues that she feels we need to know about. I believe she is also asserting herself so that the people will take seriously. Is there any possible way she could do any worse than what we have now? Atleast MB cares about or country.
Steve,
You pretty much nailed it for accuracy. I do not know where the Paul supporters can make the claim that Ron Paul started the Tea Party? The fact is, Paul is borderline looney. Maybe some have not seem his antics on the House floor. Yes, he has good observations about the Federal Reserve, but Pauls attention on the Fed borders those of the conspiracy kooks making all kinds of wild accusations and comparisons.
Now as far as Newt is concerned, yes he has been more conservative overall, but he is also a classic politician who sways to whatever political winds blow to an advantage. Whether it is conservative or progressive. He is the classic professional political type AND likely UN-ELECTABLE if he should win the nomination.
Right now, Michelle Bachmann is probably more a Tea Party Patriot and Tea Party candidate than anyone else.
Anyway, Steve, Well written
Nebraska.. actually it was Newt who’s been supportive of the TP from the beginning..
i got bad news for all the tea party people, it looks like the global elite and our government is stepping up there propaganda by making a game called ” Rainbow Six: Patriots ” in witch a terrorist group known as ” true Patriots ” this terrorist group is set to go out after people who took money from the government in what is known as the banker bailouts any was a special forces teams known as Rainbow Six a counter-terrorism team from the
United Nations here’s a link to a video about the game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW6tbzN_Za4
those of you that still doubt that the US government will turn on you take look here http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf now look at game again
http://www.infowars.com/war-on-terrors-new-targets-veterans-tea-partiers-anti-fed-activists/ oh yeah don’t for get to tell alex jones about the game
As you can see, Gingrich is beginning his “crash and burn” phase now; and as everyone knows, Mitt Romney is a proven liberal, so we have to stop him from getting the nomination. By the time Super Tuesday rolls around, Ron Paul will be the only one left who can beat him. Plus, polls show that Ron Paul is the ONLY conservative who can beat Obama in the general election, and that’s the most important thing – getting Obama OUT!
Ron Paul might not be your first choice — or even your second or third — but we need to rally ’round the ONLY limited-government conservative left standing, who can BEAT Obama. Ron Paul 2012 – Restore America Now!
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/
Whom among the president presidential contenders, including Obama, has engineered the demise of 40 years of Democratic Party control in Congress?
Whom among the president presidential contenders, including Obama, has engineered a national budget surplus?
Whom among the president presidential contenders, including Obama, has created a Contract for America?
When Tea Party supporters seek out an experienced leader to support, it’s best to go with proven abilities, rather than with presumed abilities.
ex animo
davidfarrar
I wonder what has caused Tea Party members to forget what we must do to win the general election! I can put it into seven words: “Win thirty percent of the Hispanic vote.”
Forty percent would be better! Currently we have one candidate in the entire field who can do that: Rick Perry.
Forget Bachmann! She is the “Nancy Pelosi of the Republican Party.” She has never accomplished anything, other than fund raise. She has done nothing but beat up other candidates, offering herself as a marginal alternative. She is Mitt Romney’s greatest asset.
Newt Gingrich is the consumate opportunist. I wouldn’t buy an apple from old Newt!
Mitt Romney is what his is, “a RINO.” Is that what we want?
Rick Santorum is a “neo-con.” I thought that we were about constitutional conservatism. I thought that social issues were ineligible for discussion. Evidently that has changed!
Ron Paul is a constitutionalist. He has some good ideas on a lot of things. But, he is a “dove” on defense. That’s a concern. But as a commited “Tenther,” he is more on target than most of the field.
I wish someone would define the “establishment”. The fact is, there are a number of “establishments” comprising the Washignton DC machine. Republican and Democratic which, for all intents and purposes is one machine with two large cylinders, fueled by taxpayer money.
I say, lead with our strength–not our weakness. The machine makes the rules of selection for the presidential tickets–Obama, the carefully groomed liberal for the Dems; RomGrich for the GOP.
Our choices: stay home and cost the GOP another presidential election, or vote for whomever the nominee ends up being. By electing RomGrinch, the Tea Party will be guaranteed a backseat in the battle to save our country from the machine, and change will be minimal and incremental, while the need is for large-scale and immediate action. Unless…
We decide to lead with our strengths and focus all resources on the House and Senate races, WHERE MACHINE TENTACLES ARE WEAKEST.
Our goal should be to gain a VETO-PROOF TEA PARTY MAJORITY IN BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS.
ROMGRICH WILL LISTEN TO REASON THEN.
It is official – the teapartpatriots have been taken over by the “establishment” republicans. I have been to some tea party events – and I see that they are neo-con republicans. The results of this poll are clear – the tea party is no longer relevant and will soon be replaced by patriots that will exclude neo-con republicans. You folks have one thing right – reduce spending – but everything else – you are wrong, wrong, wrong. A patriot is not for sale – and the current candidates are all for sale except Ron Paul.
This article demonstrates why movements like this fail, the line “we would prefer someone else, but we are making due with what we have.” The founders would be proud, what a joke,
Newt should not have even mentioned any kind of amnesty,
Because we’re so behind over what has already been given away-wasted on them !
He didn’t have to mention those who we would never have gone after anyway,
He should at 1st only mentioned about the ones who we must stop all-US-taxpayer-$$$ from going to and those that should be deported as well !
Then he could have briefly mentioned about those amongst the illegal-aliens that have been here so long, working, paying taxes, assimilated etc.
What’s he up to even mentioning any kind of amnesty,
at this disasterous time in our nations destroyed; economy, illegal-alien-invasion-causing-US-bankruptcy-destruction, history
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Romney – Bachmann – 2012 !
Romney brings in the North, moderate-Conservative Republicans and Independents everywhere, Bachmann brings in Conservatives everywhere and the South !
Be strategic and Put into the Cabinet:
John Bolton Secretary State
Ron Paul Treasury Secretary
Rick Santorum National
Economic Council
Donald Trump Commerce
National Security Advisors
Newt Gingrich, Peter King
Mike Pence Atty Gen
Steve King DOHS
Sheriff Joe ICE
Tom Tancredo INS
Cabinet Members
Devin Nunez, Ted Nugent, Nikki Haley, Sharon Angle
Jeff Sessions R-AL, Rand Paul R-KY, Mike Lee R-UT, Tom Coburn R-OK, are needed in the US Senate !
Newt was House Speaker during 3 of Clintons mass illegal-alien amnesties, 2 million of the over 5 million total !
These illegal-alien amnesty bills were passed by adding them to other bills or as amendments to other bills,
Gingrich could have blocked them but he didn’t, neither did Hastert who took over as House Speaker after Gingrich resigned in Jan 2009 !
Lott, Senate Maj Leader didn’t block any of them either !
2. Sec 245-i The Extension Amnesty of 1997 – extension of the 1994 rolling amnesty.
3. Nicaraguan Adjustment-Central American Relief Act – NASCARA Amnesty of 1997 for one million illegal aliens from Central America.
4. Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act Amnesty – HRIFA of 1998 for 125,000 illegal aliens from Haiti.
Why didn’t Lott, Gingrich, Hastert block any of these ?
Bill Clinton’s illegal-alien amnesties:
1. Sec 245-i The Amnesty of 1994 – a rolling amnesty for 578,000 illegal aliens.
2, 3, 4, listed above,
5. Late Amnesty of 2000 – for 400,000 illegal aliens who claim they should have been amnestied under the 1986 IRCA amnesty.
6. Life Amnesty of 2000 – A reinstatement of the rolling Section 245-i amnesty that legalized 900,000 illegal aliens.
We should not overlook Newt’s devotion to Toffler’s “3rd Wave” book.
Newt agrees with Toffler’s premise that our existing Constitution is over, must be replaced with a “new” constitution.
That the concept of national sovereignty is over with, must be replaced with a world govt.
http://bit.ly/aAdJ5r
Reality Check
This is not meant to be judgmental or negative but I wanted to share a viewpoint from outside of the Tea Party. It is a virtue to stay true to one’s convictions; however, it is foolish to willfully ignore reality. It appears to most outside of the Tea Party that is the stance the Tea Party has taken with regards to Newt Gingrich. His record, his vision and his temperament are not a matter of opinion but demonstrable fact. No matter how weak a moment, anyone who would shut down the government out of pique over seating on Air Force One or would try to impeach a president over a sexual encounter while committing adultery himself should NEVER hold the power of the presidency. He does not have the emotional stability or balance to work through the extreme difficulties of the times.
Nothing personal meant, but the longer the Tea Party remains stubborn on this issue,
the more credibility it is losing among the American people. After a year of supposedly
cutting spending, the Democrats have won round after round as spending continues
to increase and the American people have become disgusted with the behavior of Congress. The current controversy over the payroll tax cut is deemed so outrageous as to threaten not just the presidential election but also the House and Senate. All the Senate bill did was delay the solution for 2 months (not the end of the world) and at the moment it passed, was seen as a victory for the Republicans. It now might actually mark the death knell for hopes of evicting Obama from the WH. The public is just that furious over the behavior of the Tea Party in the House. The WH propaganda machine has overwhelmingly won this issue as well as the debt limit battle. Trust me on that. I am not sure there is enough time left for the Tea Party to resurrect its image, but the longer Gingrich remains at the top of the polls, the less likely it becomes.
After the 2010 elections, I would not have thought it possible for Nancy Pelosi to regain
the gavel. Now I think it is more likely than not as the payroll tax debate blows up,
Obama has ended the war in Iraq, and Kathleen Sebelius has ceded control of Obamacare coverage perimeters to the states. Obama and team have been playing straight to the polls and perfected their propaganda operation. Being right and winning are not the same thing. Obama clearly understands that but the Tea Party does not. You must win first and worry about enacting your policies afterward.
This is an open plea from someone who feels Obama defeat is the only way for America
to survive. Certitude is always dangerous, but that’s how strongly I feel about my
analysis of current public opinion. Winning 2012 is mandatory. We can not afford
more like Sharon Angle, Christine O’Donnell, Ken Buck and Joe Miller. Sorry but those
races were devastating to the country.
Romney – Bachmann – 2012 !
Romney brings in the North, moderate-Conservative Republicans and Independents everywhere, Bachmann brings in Conservatives everywhere and the South !
Be strategic and Put into the Cabinet:
John Bolton Secretary State
Ron Paul Treasury Secretary
Rick Santorum National
Economic Council
Donald Trump Commerce
National Security Advisors
Newt Gingrich, Peter King
Mike Pence Atty Gen
Steve King DOHS
Sheriff Joe ICE
Tom Tancredo INS
Cabinet Members
Devin Nunez, Ted Nugent, Nikki Haley, Sharon Angle
Jeff Sessions R-AL, Tom Coburn R-OK, Rand Paul R-KY, Mike Lee R-UT, are needed in the US Senate !
Tea Party Patriots core principles:
* FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY
* CONSTITUTIONALLY LIMITED GOVERNMENT
* FREE MARKET ECONOMICS
And you choose Gingrich? And not overwhelmingly for Paul? You’re kidding, right? Gingrich represents *everything* that is wrong in the District of Criminals.
Tea Party maybe… but patriots you aren’t.
Anyone of the current Republican candidates is far, far better than Obama. We need to keep the House, gain total control of the Senate, and replace Obama. Then and only then can we bring prosperity back to the USA. Let us keep the goals in mind and not fight among ourselves. The general public will turn against us if we look stupid and unwilling to stand together, and compromise when absolutely necessary. We need to appear reasonable and elect the candidate that stands the best chance of beating Obama, not necessarily the “perfect” candidate from our point of view. There is no perfect person.
It is my sincere belief that fake compromising conservatives are the reason America is in the state it currently finds itself. Good Honest people dont go to the polls to vote anymore, hard working Americans who just want the government to leave them alone, do not vote. Why? I’m sure you have heard the statement many times that goes like this ” why vote, they are all the same,” or this one ” i’m not going to vote, nothing ever changes.” Why do these honest people say this, because the Dem’s let them down, no. They don’t vote anymore because there is not a contrast between the candidates, why vote for R over D if they both have the same ideologies. Back in the 1860-90′s voter turnout was around 80 to 90 percent in some cases. This is because candidates in that time were extremely contrasting, there plans were opposites of one another. Romney and Newt are no different from Obama. Cain would have laid a foundation to plunder the middle class till the end of our republic with his 999 plan. Bachman is the only one i could support other then Paul.
Bachman and Paul are the only two who continuously reference the constitution, these two are the only ones i would vote for. Any other candidate i will be voting for Obama. I am not scared of the devil running at me, im scared of the one who pretends to be my friend.
Obama’s crazy socialist schemes have been the great awakening this country needs in order to get back on its constitutional foundation. If Newt or Romney get in the white house, America will go to sleep and this revolution would have never even gotten started. While America thinks she is safe with these RINO’s in office, these men, these socialists will continue to plunder the middle class just as Obama, Bush, Clinton,Bush,Carter,Nixon,FDR,Hoover,Wilson etc. Only real contrast to the status quo will get America away from the T.V and to the polls.
Independents win elections, not partisan supporters, when it comes to independents, Paul is the strongest. He would not only get the Independent vote and the republican vote, he would also get a substantial democrat vote. Paul would win in a land slide over Obama!
You want to lose this country, vote in Newt or Romney! You want to save this country vote in Paul or Obama
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in disclosing how far the political economy of the country was even then
being borne on the currents of authoritarian dogma. What Roosevelt
failed to see was that these immense changes which he proposed were
even then in course of execution. They were brought about by means far
more subtle and invisible than those he proposed, and without the necessity
“to invoke the use of government power to a degree hitherto unknown
in this country,” without abolishing competition, or the independence
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would undertake to create or modify the climate in which business was
conducted; it would influence, if not determine, the general level of
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to stimulate or retard as in its wisdom appeared most desirable; it would
conclude what forms of business activity should be favored and developed,
what forms should be discouraged; it would determine the costs of
capital to those who would embark in enterprise, according to its judgment;
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the rate of interest to be paid. It would even, for a season, reach down
into the household and decide the important questions of household
finance: is an electric washing machine a capital investment or a convenience
of luxury?”
Just a reminder to those that missed Gingrich’s “my favorite President was Teddy Roosevelt” satement…
Really? Your articles is fundamentally anti-Tea Party. “Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government, Free Markets” are the Tea Party’s founding principles; thus these principles should explicitly narrow the GOP (or any) field to just one candidate: Ron Paul. If you have been honestly listening to the candidate’s debate and following their stances on these issues for that last 30 years, then you will know that Ron Paul is the only candidate that truly supports the Tea Party’s mission. Ron Paul should already the de facto nominee unless you are allowing yourselves to be derailed by the Johny-come-lately radio talk show hosts and politicians that latched onto our movement. Those war-monger$ and Neo-Con$ that are trying to co-opt it only have support for more of the same: Bachman, Santorum, Cain, or Gingrich (as the any-buddy-but-Romney guy). What part of billions of dollars in foreign aid handouts (when the USA is bankrupt) is fiscally responsible? What part of the Patriot Act is limited government? What part of our endless wars leads to fiscal solvency and free trade?
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I am a news anchor who has done his homework. Newt, Perry, and Romney are ALL CFR members, just like Hillary, Obama, Pelosi, and Dodd. Newt and Perry are Bilderberg Members just like Bill and Hillary. Newt is a Bohemian Grove member just like Bill, John Carey, George H.W., George W. and all the NWO elite men. We are so fooled and they are laughing at us.
I’m finding the person is not as important as the commitment.
We all agrue over a name….
As those favoring Consevative ideals, we should be able to exclude many by just a list of planks. I give the average republican citizen a list of strong conservative ideas and most will start making excuses about the approach being too severe. Severe is neccessary.
So, why do we expect our candidate to stump on strong ideals? We need a Flat Income Tax. We need a phase out of Soc Sec and Medicare. We need a yearly budget deadline.
No Hedging……it must be done. None of the Candidates are going far enough to mke a difference……….
Gingrich wins the straw pole ????? are you people NUTS ??? Do your homework, he’s a big government progressive rino that buys into global warming, thinks FDR was the greatest president, thinks andy stern (SEIU) is a model union leader, would consider trump as a vp. NO FREAKING WAY !!!! Don’t buy into this crap from both sides that only newt or mitt can win. Reagan brought people of the left to him because of his conservative message, he didn’t mose to the center or left to gain votes. Real conservatives CAN WIN, Bachman, Santorum, and possibly Perry. This a PRIMARY folks, not the end run.
There’s a lot of comment here about who’s the best candidate, who will do the best job, who has more experience, who … who…
The issue that all of this will come down to in the end is who can win the election. And that’s still an uncertain question. As has been seen with Herman Cain and Rick Perry and Michele Bachman, the polls will lead you in one direction today and another direction tomorrow.
And yes, you may be fervently in favor of Bachman four days before the election, and you may want to give her your vote, but if the polls show her at 5% or 7% or 10%, you can be pretty sure she ISN’T going to pull the rest of the voters. The same can be said of any of the candidates that we may love for whatever reasons.
The thing that worries me the most right now is that one of the people now running will come up as a third party candidate and split the conservative vote. I voted for Ross Perot so I know the problems that can arise. I pray that the Tea Party won’t be putting up a candidate, and will support the “official” Republican Party candidate whoever that is. Yes, that will mean perhaps putting your vote where you might like it to be somewhere else, but the issue HAS TO BE WINNING THE ELECTION even if it’s a Conservative with whom you may not be totally happy.
Obama will not be easy to beat. With a near majority of people in this country getting money in one form or another from “the government”, those folks will be voting to continue or enhance their position at the trough of the public treasury. Everything Obama does is to attempt to buy the votes of his constituency. The Dream Act, fighting the Arizona immigration law, The Jobs bill that gave billions to Teachers Unions, Firemen’s Unions, the Debacle with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. I’m sure we can come up with 20 or 30 blatant vote buying programs.
And to tell the truth, the Republicans haven’t been all that successful with their P.R. campaigns. Who amongst you thinks the Conservatives in Congress look better right now in the issue of extending unemployment benefits for two months. We’ve blown it.
All of those things say the Dems are going to be tough to beat. And the only way we have a chance of winning the presidency is if we all focus on a single candidate and make sure that candidate gets elected.
Yes, it’s probably still too early to know who that candidate is. But when that is determined, we’ve GOT TO get behind him (or her) and get them into the Oval Office.
I am beginning to think the Tea Party lives in just as much of a non reality as liberals.
It also takes independents to win elections. If you haven’t noticed your about to give congress back to the liberals now too.
Good luck getting anything done with democrats back in control. YOU CANT CHANGE EVERYTHING OVER NIGHT!@!!
When I get worried the Republicans are gonna send US back to pre-FDR policies, I calm myself by looking at “comments” on pro-Tea Party websites. This no-nothing group will help GOP snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. And now I I feel better for allowing myself to be reminded of this fact . . .
Tea party is a failure. We had a chance to change our country to keep us free and now no matter who wins Obama, Romney, or Gingrich we are going to get the United Nations Agenda 21 shoved down our throat. The people in Iowa and New Hampshire need to support Michale Backmann.
Support who you “think” has your belief system and will live up to it after they are in office. Demand a “paper trail” for all future local and nationwide elections so you know your vote was truly counted. Demand a “receipt” of some kind from your voting officials!. A new book is out titled “RIGGED!”
If the TEA Party is seriously backing Newt, then it is the joke that people perceive it to be and I quit.
http://www.ronpaul2012.com
Why a Newt Gingrich Candidacy Would Doom the Tea Party
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Gallup finds that 82 percent of Tea Party affiliated voters deem Newt Gingrich an acceptable Republican presidential nominee in 2012. They don’t seem to realize that if he wins the nod their movement is doomed, regardless of how the general election goes. The Tea Party cannot support Gingrich without betraying its core principles. But the movement also cannot disclaim him once he is the Republican nominee.
Tea Partiers with a better instinct for self-preservation would see that none of the Mitt Romney alternatives still running would be as corrosive to their cause as the former Speaker of the House.
Why?
The Tea Party wasn’t just a reaction to President Obama or the financial industry bailouts. As Jonah Goldberg puts it, “a major motivating passion of the tea-party movement was a long-delayed backlash against George W. Bush and his big-government conservatism.” Support for the War on Terrorism and the invasion of Iraq caused many conservatives to stay loyal to Bush. But that didn’t mean they liked No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D, the attempt at a guest worker program, TARP, or the Harriet Miers nomination. Especially after the defeat of John McCain, many on the right insisted they’d never again support Bush-Rove conservatism.
And Gingrich supported almost all the most controversial Bush-Rove policies!
He favored No Child Left Behind, an unprecedented federal intervention in education. He supported Medicare Part D, a brand new, budget-busting drug entitlement. He supported “comprehensive immigration reform,” perhaps the most divisive-among-conservatives policy initiative of the aughts. He urged the passage of TARP. And he even spoke favorably about the infamous Harriet Miers nomination, a George W. Bush misstep that caused many of his most loyal supporters to rebel.
Tea Partiers pledged that if they had their way the GOP would never again have as its champion a federal government enlarging, entitlement expanding, amnesty urging, Bush-style Republican.
To do so just four years on would be a significant failure.
Another Tea Party talking point is its suspicion of Washington, D.C., insiders. For all Sarah Palin’s flaws, the Tea Partiers who rallied around her could at least justifiably claim that she had authentic roots far from Washington and a record in Alaska of taking on corrupt political insiders who sought to enrich themselves at public expense. Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry, Herman Cain — all these flawed Tea Party favorites have at least some claim to outsider status.
But Gingrich? He is the epitome of the Inside the Beltway insider, and not only because of his long stint in Congress. After retiring, he profited lavishly off connections he made on the taxpayer dime, earning hundreds of thousands of dollars influence-pedaling. Most famously, he got $1.6 million from Freddie Mac, the very entity that many conservatives regard as most culpable for the financial crisis. And then he had the temerity to insist that he was paid as “a historian,” an explanation so transparently farcical that it can justifiably be seen as an insult to the intelligence of GOP primary voters.
As if supporting such a man weren’t incoherent enough already, a movement that valorizes Joe the Plumber, family values and hockey moms is now rallying behind a long-winded former academic turned career politician with an affinity for private planes, chauffeurs, and buying Tiffany and Co. jewelry for his third wife. It’s as if Kanye West wrote a politician into his last album.
Runaway, Tea Partiers! Why don’t you just runaway?
Ron Paul supporting Tea Partiers would be the first to bail from a coalition that reshaped itself around Gingrich. In Reason magazine, Jacob Sullum runs through some of Gingrich’s appalling positions on civil liberties: that the War on Terrorism somehow makes null certain rights to free speech and due process; that the government should stop the construction of a mosque until the day when Saudi Arabia permits churches and synagogues to be built; the proposal to escalate the War on Drugs by executing drug smugglers; support for warrantless wiretaps; and extreme hostility toward the co-equal judicial branch. It’s true that only a small subset of Tea Party voters actually care about civil liberties with any kind of consistency, but Gingrich will alienate them.
And the rest of the movement? Confronted with Gingrich’s heresies, which are sure to spill from his novelty-addled mind regularly, they’d have to decide on their next move: leave or live with it.
Some affiliated voters won’t support in good conscience a guy who favored all the things they railed against after it happened under Bush. Others will be disgusted by the revolving door cronyism, and still others will be upset that the Republicans nominated a twice-divorced adulterer (with a record of supporting an individual mandate in health care). There is a small chance that a narrow Gingrich win at the end of a long, drawn out primary, wherein his Tea Party support suffers, could result in a third party run that divides the right side of the political spectrum.
Much more likely is that Republicans, including most Tea Partiers, rally around the GOP nominee, even if it is Gingrich. That might do even more damage to the Tea Party, as it would be the ultimate act of compromising principle and ideological purity for the sake of beating the Democrats.
It would seem worthwhile in the immediate aftermath of a Gingrich win. And then President Gingrich would take office, and proceed to behave like… well, a decades-long Washington insider who supported No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D, the attempt at a guest worker program, TARP, and the Harriet Miers nomination. Every conservative betrayal would be a reminder that the Tea Party helped elect just the sort of man they’d so righteously vowed to eschew.
The label wouldn’t stand for anything anymore.
And a Gingrich loss to Obama? In a world where the Tea Party was seen as responsible for his rise, it would be discrediting, as losses always are for the faction that urges a divisive candidate. Along with the blame game, there’d be four more years of Obama, which Tea Partiers regard as the ultimate failure. No wonder that a Gingrich win is Nancy Pelosi’s dark, twisted fantasy.
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Don’t settle for the lesser of the evils just because the mainstream media portrays Ron Paul as a weaker candidate nationally. It is NOT true, that is up to US to decide, and continue to spread the message. The Tea Party can not succumb to giving its support to all of the establishment Republicans, if this happens, the entire movement will take steps backwards, and be discredited. Ron Paul is the father of this movement, he is the only candidate who is “SINCERE” in his convictions, and the only true conservative who has never done anything to lead us to question him, the ONLY one, and that says a lot. SUPPORT Ron Paul, or we will only end up with more of the same….. another Establishment Republican pandering to us.
Where is the Tea Party support for Gingrich and Santorum? The Paul people are all over the place and your lying media shoving Romney at you the same way they did Obama.
Obama has been running against Romney for over a year now and will make mincemeat out of him. Did you see him at that debate last night? HE SUCKED!!!!
Perry is too far behind but a good man so your only choices are Newt who would smoke Obama and has the experience and the know how to do what is right for America and Santorum. WAKE UP PEOPLE because IF Romney win SC it is OVER.
Tea Party support is something all of the candidates in the GOP primary want. Of course they do. This movement represents the heart and soul of conservatism in America and none of them are going to win without it.
Which Presidential candidate actually supported the Tea Party when he was not running? The answer will surprise you.
Ron Paul’s supporters, especially the more obnoxious one’s like to claim that Ron Paul is the father of the Tea Party movement.
The basis for their claims is that in December 2007, Ron Paul had a fundraiser and he called it a “Tea Party.”
On February 18th, 2009, Rick Santelli of CNBC lit the fire for what would become the Tea Party with his famous rant from the floor of the Chicago Mercantile. Within a couple of days activists from across the country were planning the first Tea Party Rallies.
Neither Ron Paul nor his supporters had anything to do with the planning of those rallies.
How do I know?
It is simple. I was a part of the planning. We who were planning those rallies met almost nightly for conference calls. People who were on those calls have become some of the leading figures of this movement. Amy Kremer was on there, as was Eric Odom, Mike Leahy, activists who formed the Dallas and St. Louis Tea Parties and some others throughout the country.
Ron Paul did not support nor did he appear at any of those rallies.
After February 2009, we began planning the Tax Day Tea Party rallies, which would define this movement.
Where was Ron Paul? Again nowhere.
But there was one politician who stepped up and was willing to help the Tea Party movement. He was not running for office at the time and all he did was ask what he could do.
He did not try to take control of the movement nor did he try to use it for his own benefit.
Who was this person?
It was Newt Gingrich.
In the end, the Tea Party organizers declined most of the help Newt was offering. We did not dislike Newt in fact just the opposite was true. We did like him. We were just concerned that because Newt has such and intense personality that the Tea Party movement would get branded as Newt’s movement.
Was that a mistake? Possibly.
As far as I know, Newt has never spoken about this publicly. He did speak at the Tax Day Tea Party rally in 2009.
Ron Paul, as far as I know has never spoken at any Tea Party event. The only events I am aware of that he has spoken at were campaign 4 liberty events. He has never supported the Tea Party movement. The only thing he and his followers have tried to do is hijack the movement.
Ron Paul is not the father of this movement. No politician is. Those who are the fathers and mothers of this movement are the activists who poured their time and sweat into launching this great movement.
If any politician deserves credit for being there for the movement, it is Newt Gingrich. He was there. He has never claimed any credit for what he did nor has he ever asked for anything in return.
http://www.teapartynation.com/forum/topics/which-presidential-candidate-actually-supported-the-tea-party-mov
When the Tea Party movement began in America, I was one of the first followers of this great idea – and I am a Canadian. Here in Canada I started a group that has now grown to a membership that boasts 137 proud Canadians.
We started meeting a few months before our government called an election last spring with one goal in mind. To get a majority government elected for the first time in about seven years. Our political arena is different. We have an election called and from start to finish the campaing and vote takes place within four months. We usually go to the polls once every four years but in seven years had gone to the polls four times because we could not get a majority elected. We were p/o at the games that were being played and the work that was not getting done.
So in walks Micheal Ignatious to take over our Liberal party here. A progressive who had worked in the Clinton administration and in your political arena for the last twenty five years. That made us mad too. Long story short we used the Tea Party principals you preach – reached out across the second largest land mass country in the world and almost wiped this liberal party off the map here in Canada.
We now have a majority CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT in place under the guidance of Stephen Harper and he is working hard to turn us off the socialist path we have been on for over fifty years now.
The question I have for all of you is when are you going to get it? WHERE IS THE AMERICAN TEA PARTY IN THIS ELECTION?????
Ron Paul cannot beat Obama. Independents will not vote for Ron Paul period end of story. Perry is too far behind. The only Conservatives who have a hope are Gingrich and or Santorum but if Romney wins SC you might as well hand him the keys to the GOP nomination. Not the White House. Obama will keep those. NO WAY ROMNEY WILL BEAT OBAMA BECAUSE OBAMA HAS BEEN RUNNING AGAINST HIM FOR OVER A YEAR NOW.
Obama is going to wipe the floor with Romney. Did you SEE that debate last night and how weak he was? If you cannot get behind one then back two but for God’s sakes get some boots on the grounds to help the Conservatives out in SC and Florida who have a chance or it is all over.
What do you mean independents won’t vote for Ron Paul?? he’s already secured their vote AND the youth vote. For a movement that claims to be tired of big government and out of control spending, it sure seems like they are wanting more of the same. Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate that represents REAL CHANGE . Santorum flipped flopped on allowing felons to vote and among other things. The ONLY REAL conservative that is being presented to us is Ron Paul.
RICK SANTORUM deserves “AND NEEDS” our support to hang with NEWT after the Gov. Perry endorsement. Rick’s domestic and energy policies will expand American economic development and create high-quality permanent jobs unleashing America’s domestic oil and gas sources resulting in a “long term secure economy” for “American’s and American workers while seriously downsizing FEDERAL LEVIATHON. Please stand up right now to stand up & send support to the real conservative that can win, at Ricksantorum.com. Timing is critical to keep Rick Santorum credibly in this fight for Conservative reconstruction of the Obama Marxist/Progressive debacle. Newt’s global warming TV ad with Nancy PeLOUSY keeps me awake nights. Please do anything possible to send support to Ricksantorum.com. RICK CAN WIN.
I was getting ready to post a “why not Rick Santorum” comment, when I saw yours. I agree. We have the media going ga-ga over Romney and Gingrich and all their faults so they can eat the winner alive. The lib’s and the media will NOT let them win against Obama. Conservatives and moderates need to get behind him. Everyone is concerned that he is far-right. If the polls are correct, the majority of this country is center-right. Given that, people need to check out his platform and see who he is and what he believes. I hope the people in South Carolina allow him to “stay alive” and move on to Florida.
I agree completely. Why Not Santorum???
Rick Santorum is a consistent, steady, level-headed, and wise conservative. Newt only won South Carolina because it was his territory where he campaigned harder than the others and because he is an “entertainer” on the stage. Newt and Romney have not been conservatives over the years. They claim to be conservative now, but we cannot trust them to keep fighting for conservative values if either one gets the nomination. OBAMA will not debate the GOP candidate. His record cannot be defended so why would he participate in his own destruction on stage. The issues are important and Rick explains them best. Character matters! Rick is genuine: What you see is what you get. He is no fake! His honesty and integrity would bring respect back to America. Those who know this PLEASE: Shout it from the housetops!
WHERE IS THIS TEA PARTY?????
Newt Gingrich’s Entire Political History
05/04/1979 – He voted for a federal land grab that put tens of millions of acres of land in the hands of Washington bureaucrats.
09/20/1979 – He voted to raise the debt ceiling for the first time.
09/27/1979 – He voted to establish the Federal Department of Education.
06/04/1980 – He voted to raise the debt ceiling for the second time.
02/05/1981 – He voted to raise the debt ceiling for the third time.
06/28/1984 – He voted to raise the debt ceiling for the fourth time.
04/02/1987 – He cosponsored the 1987 Fairness Doctrine (anti 1st Amendment legislation)
02/22/1989 – He cosponsored the Global Warming Prevention Act of 1989.
10/22/1991 – He voted for an amendment that would create a National Police Corps.
03/–/1993 – He was “passionately in favor” of sending $1.6 Billion in foreign aid to Russia.
11/19/1993 – He voted for the NAFTA Implementation Act.
11/27/1994 – He supported the GATT Treaty giving sovereignty to the U.N.
12/25/1994 – He was quoted as saying that his wife was “not young enough or pretty enough to be the wife of the President. And besides, she has cancer.”
04/10/1995 – He supported Federal taxdollars being spent on abortions.
06/–/1995 – He wrote the foreword to a book about tearing down the U.S. Constitution and implementing a Fascist World Government.
08/27/1995 – He suggests that drug smuggling should carry a death sentence.
01/06/1996 – He himself conceived a secret CIA mission to topple the Iranian leadership.
04/18/1996 – He voted for Federal restrictions on laser sighting devices.
04/25/1996 – Voted for the single largest increase on Federal education spending ($3.5 Billion)
06/01/1996 – He helped a “Clinton Clone” Democrat switch parties in an attempt to defeat constitutionalist Ron Paul in the 1996 election.
09/16/1996 – He voted for the anti-gun Brady Campaign’s Lautenberg Gun Ban, which took away gun rights for people involved in certain misdemeanors.
09/25/1996 – Introduced H.R. 4170, demanded life-sentence or execution for someone bringing 2 ounces of marijuana across the border.
09/28/1996 – He voted for the “Gun Free School Zones Act” which resulted in schools being easier targets for shooters, and disarming law-abiding citizens.
–/–/1996 – He earned a “D” rating from the Gun Owners of America.
01/22/1997 – Congress gave him a record-setting $300,000 fine for ethical wrongdoing.
11/05/1998 – He resigned from his House seat three days after being elected to his 11th term.
10/13/2005 – He called for “universal but confidential” DNA testing of citizens.
09/07/2006 – He stated that Congress should declare WWIII, and wants a “dramatically larger budget” for war, new homeland security agencies, and attacks on Iran, Syria, North Korea, & Lebanon.
11/29/2006 – He said that free speech should be curtailed in order to fight terrorism. Wants to stop terrorists from using the internet. Called for a “serious debate about the 1st Amendment.”
11/29/2006 – He called for a “Geneva Convention for terrorists” so it would be clear who the Constitution need not apply to.
02/15/2007 – He supported Bush’s proposal for mandatory carbon caps.
04/04/2007 – He says that there should be a clear distinction about what weapons should be reserved for only for the military.
04/11/2007 – He had a public debate with John Kerry on global warming, in which Newt agreed with Kerry and his views on the environment, praised his book, and almost hugged him.
04/20/2007 – He praised NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg; said that he “takes his hat off to the mayor for proving government can be effective.”
04/24/2007 – He praised the corporatist business-model of Freddie Mac, saying it would be effective for space travel to Mars.
04/24/2007 – He said about Government-Sponsored Enterprises (GSEs): “conservatives should embrace [them] and want to extend as widely as possible.”
05/20/2007 – He would bypass the court system by establishing a “military tribunal system to lock people up the way Abraham Lincoln would’ve done it.”
05/20/2007 – He would “establish a nationwide ID card with biometrics so you can actually track everybody in the country.”
04/17/2008 – Made a commercial with Nancy Pelosi on Climate Change.
04/28/2008 – He said that allow some terror to happen, to keep the people afraid.
04/28/2008 – He wants yet another new Federal agency to be “very aggressive” against “terrorists” and have “extraordinary abilities” that are not restricted by the constitution.
09/28/2008 – Says if he were in office, he would have reluctantly voted for the $700B TARP bailout.
10/01/2008 – Says in an article that TARP was a “workout, not a bailout.”
09/28/2008 – He says that McCain’s vote for TARP bailouts rivaled President Eisenhower’s pledge to send troops to Korea.
12/08/2008 – He was paid $300,000 by Freddie Mac to halt Congress from bringing necessary reform.
03/31/2009 – Says we should have Singapore-style drug tests for Americans.
10/16/2009 – He angered conservatives by endorsing super liberal Dede Scozzafava.
06/10/2010 – He’s cozy with VeriChip/PositiveID, a company that specializes in human-microchipping.
07/30/2010 – Says that Iraq was just step one in defeating the “Axis of Evil”.
08/03/2010 – Advocates attacks on Iran & North Korea.
08/16/2010 – Opposes property rights of the mosque owner in NYC.
08/16/2010 – Compares mosque supporters to Nazis
11/15/2010 – He defended Romneycare; blamed liberals
12/02/2010 – He advocates a pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens.
12/05/2010 – He said that a website owner should be considered an enemy combatant, hunted down and executed, for publishing leaked government memos.
01/30/2011 – He lobbied for ethanol subsidies.
01/30/2011 – He suggested that flex-fuel vehicles be mandated for Americans.
02/02/2011 – He says we are “losing the War on Terror”; the conflict will be as long as the Cold War
02/10/2011 – He wants to replace the EPA instead of abolishing it.
02/13/2011 – He criticized Obama for sending less U.S. taxdollars to Egypt.
02/15/2011 – His book said that he believes man-made climate-change and advocated creating “a new endowment for conservation and the environment.”
03/09/2011 – He blames his infidelity to multiple wives on his passion for the country.
03/15/2011 – Says that NAFTA worked because it created jobs in Mexico.
03/19/2011 – He has no regrets about supporting Medicare drug coverage. (Now $7.2T unfunded liability)
03/23/2011 – He completely flip-flopped on Libyan intervention in 16 days.
03/25/2011 – He plans to sign as many as 200 executive orders on his first day as president.
03/27/2011 – He says that America is under attack by atheist Islamists.
04/25/2011 – He’s a paid lobbyist for Federal ethanol subsidies.
05/11/2011 – His campaign video said that he wants to “find solutions together, and insist on imposing those solutions on those who do not want to change.”
05/12/2011 – He was more supportive of individual health-care mandates than Mitt Romney.
05/15/2011 – Said GOP’s plan to cut back Medicare was “too big a jump.”
05/15/2011 – He backed Obama’s individual mandate; “All of us have a responsibility to help pay for health care.”
05/16/2011 – He also endorsed individual mandates in 1993 when Clinton pushed Universal Health Care.
05/17/2011 – He has an outstanding debt to Tiffany’s Jewelry of between $250K – $500K.
06/09/2011 – His own campaign staff resigned en masse.
07/15/2011 – His poorly managed campaign is over $1 Million in debt.
08/01/2011 – He hired a company to create fake Twitter to appear as if he had a following.
08/11/2011 – His recent criticism of the United Nations is United Nations by a long, long history of supporting it.
09/27/2011 – He says that he “helped develop the model for Homeland Security”
10/07/2011 – He said he’d ignore the Supreme Court if need be.
11/12/2011 – He advocates assassinating Iranian scientists and covert war with Iran.
11/19/2011 – He said Barney Frank should be arrested for his close ties lobbying for Freddie Mac, just one month before it became public that Gingrich was also lobbying for them at the same time.
11/20/2011 – He has been outed as a paid lobbyist for drug companies, but he still denies it.
11/22/2011 – He supports the Patriot Act and would like to see it strengthened.
11/22/2011 – He says that matters of National Security should not be encumbered by giving Due Process to the accused.
11/28/2011 – He thinks its the job of the Federal Government to ban medical marijuana.
11/28/2011 – He is a Pharmaceutical lobbyist, and coincidentally thinks that non-Pharma drugs like medical marijuana should be banned by the Federal government.
11/28/2011 – He said he wants to be “aggressive” with Cuba topple their government before 2014.
11/28/2011 – He praised draconian drug penalties in Singapore for the second time.
12/01/2011 – His comments about warning Freddie Mac of its “insane” business model are proven false when his laudatory interview from 2007 surfaced again.
QUOTES
“The idea that a congressman would be tainted by accepting money from private industry or private sources is essentially a socialist argument.” – Newt Gingrich
“[O]ur government, at all levels, must be modernized to successfully partner, let alone compete, with the private sector.” — Newt Gingrich, A Contract with the Earth (p.196)
“The U.S. government operates endowments for the humanities and the arts…Perhaps, it is time we consider a new endowment for conservation and the environment.” — Newt Gingrich, A Contract with the Earth (pp. 115-116)
“We agree that there is plenty of evidence that global climate change is occurring…While humanity is certainly causing its fair share of the change, scientists are still not able to precisely pinpoint the extent of the change, or the margin of error in their estimates.” — Newt Gingrich, A Contract with the Earth (p. 200)
“In spite of the demonstrated liberal leanings in academia, we have nothing but respect for the nation’s scientists. They represent America’s best hope to protect the environment. We support a dramatic increase in science and technology research and development because we desperately need to understand global climate change and other environmental phenomena.” — Newt Gingrich, A Contract with the Earth (p. 201)
“If you import a commercial quantity of illegal drugs, it is because you have made the personal decision that you are prepared to get rich by destroying our children. I have made the decision that I love our children enough that we will kill you if you do this.” — Newt Gingrich (source)
“What we’re being told is that free trade with Mexico would devastate the U.S. economy. With its low wages, Mexico would unleash a flood of cheap imports into our markets. There would be a mass exodus of U.S. factory jobs, as hordes of American companies fled across the border…. All this is scare talk.” — Newt Gingrich, on the House floor 9/22/1993. (source)
Q: “Will you rally the troops for GATT and the World Trade Organization?”
A: “Yes. In the first place, the Administration has accepted amendments of Senator Dole and myself giving Congress dramatically more oversight of the WTO, including the right to bring up a vote on withdrawal every five years in perpetuity, so at any point that we think it is out of control or inappropriate, we can simply withdraw.” — Newt Gingrich, 11/11/1994 (source)
“The American challenge in leading the world is compounded by our Constitution. Under our [constitutional system] – either we’re going to have to rethink our Constitution, or we’re going to have to rethink our process of decision-making.” He went on to profess an oxymoronic belief in “very strong but limited federal government,” and pledged, “I am for the United Nations.” — Newt Gingrich, July 1995, speech at the Center for Strategic & International Affairs (source)
“I think we’re seeing around the world an emerging Third World War from North Korea to Pakistan to India to Afghanistan to Iraq and Iran to the increasing alliance between Venezuela and Iran to the British terrorists who are getting trained in Pakistan.” — Newt Gingrich, 2006, interview with Greta Van Sustren
On executing people for drug offenses: “The first time we execute 27 or 30 or 35 people at one time, and they go around Colombia and France and Thailand and Mexico, and they say, ‘Hi, would you like to carry some drugs into the U.S.?’ the price of carrying drugs will have gone up dramatically.” — Newt Gingrich, 1995 (NY Times)
“See, when I smoked pot it was illegal, but not immoral. Now, it is illegal AND immoral. The law didn’t change, only the morality… That’s why you get to go to jail and I don’t.” — Newt Gingrich, 8/8/1996, Wall Street Journal (source)
When asked if he would change or repeal the Patriot Act: “No, I would not change it. I’m not aware of any specific change it needs. And I’d look at strengthening it, because I think the dangers are literally that great.” — Newt Gingrich, 11/22/2011, CNN Debate (source)
“This is, by the way, one of the great tragedies of the Bush Administration. The more successful they’ve been at intercepting and stopping bad guys, the less proof there is that we’re in danger. And therefore the better they’ve done at making sure there isn’t an attack, the easier it is to say that there was never going to be an attack anyways. And its almost like they should, every once in a while, have allowed an attack to get through, just to remind us. Think about the psychology. Why do we wrap up so many people? Well, because we wiretapped. And again, I’m going to be a little controversial. I would divide the FBI into two agencies. I would have an anti-domestic-crime FBI which was very cautious, very respectful of civil liberties. You are innocent until proven guilty. And I would have a small but VERY aggressive anti-terrorism agency. And I would frankly give them EXTRAORDINARY ability to eavesdrop. And my first advice to civil libertarians is simple: Don’t plot with terrorists.” — Newt Gingrich, 4/29/2008 (source)
In March 1993, I got an assistance program I could support: $1.6 billion in direct aid to help Russia stabilize. Although a public poll said that 75% of the American people were opposed to giving Russia more money, and we were already in a hard fight for the economic plan, I felt we had no choice but to press ahead. American had spent trillions of dollars in defense to win the Cold War; we couldn’t risk reversal over less that $2 billion and a bad poll. To the surprise of my staff, the congressional leaders, including the Republicans, agreed with me. At a meeting I convened to push the plan, Senator Joe Biden, the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, strongly endorsed the aid package. Newt Gingrich was passionately in favor of helping Russia, saying it was a “great defining moment” for American and we had to do the right thing. — Bill Clinton, 2004 (My Life, p. 506-507).
“Professor Gingrich hopefully will never be called upon to teach a course in the proper role of our federal government. His rare votes against bloated big government usually have been prompted by the partisan wrangling of the moment, not by any great respect for, or understanding of, the Constitution.” –James Toft of “Tax Reform Immediately” (TRIM)
- Card-Carrying member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), a globalist think tank
- “Distinguished member” of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (neocon, pro-interventionism group)
- Member of Bohemian Grove
- Member of the World Future Society
- Described himself as a conservative in the Alexander Hamilton-Teddy Roosevelt tradition.
- Voted for NAFTA, a blatant circumvention of Congress’ exclusive power to regulate commerce with foreign nations. Took power from American people and put it into the hands of unelected Binational panels, made mostly of foreigners.
- Supported GATT
- Supported WTO
- Continually supported increased federal spending.
- Supported the National Endowment for the Arts;
- Voted for the creation of the Federal Dept. of Education in 1979 under Jimmy Carter.
- Big supporter of Foreign Aid — even to Soviets through the Export-Import Bank.
- In one year (1994-1995) Gingrich voted for nearly $45 billion in foreign aid.
- He helped push through Federally-funded loan guarantees to Communist China.
- He voted to raise the debt ceiling four times (one, two, three, and four).
- Urged the House to repeal the War Powers Act and give the Presidency more power.
- Urged Clinton to expand military presence in Bosnia.
- Supports Afghan War
- Supports Iraq War
- Calls for Iran War
- Supported Clinton’s welfare programs, education programs, labor programs, and environmental programs, as well as most of his foreign affairs programs.
- Supported spending $30B for the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 that shackled gun owners with new restrictions, federalized a number of crimes, and handed the feds police powers that the Constitution reserves to the states.
- Voted to give billions of dollars to United Nations “peacekeeping” operations;
- Pushed for a School Prayer Amendment
- Mentored by Henry Kissinger
- Bailed out savings and loan institutions in 1991. $40B Bank bailout
- He was a draft-dodger during the Vietnam War, yet pushed aggressive foreign interventionism his entire political career, and did say that Vietnam was the “right battlefield at the right time.”
- He cheated on one of his wives while she was suffering from cancer, delivered divorce papers to her in the hospital.
- Worked on the Rockefeller presidential campaign in 1968. Was a Rockefeller State Chairman.
And this guy calls himself a Republican?
Extremely well put. Finally someone that has done their homework and shows just how establishment and leftist Newt really is. I have found Newt to be the chameleon of the Republican Party. He votes and talks whatever is most popular at the time or who he is speaking to.
You can pretty much do the same for Mitt Romney. While he does not have the long history in politics that Newt does, his actions and voting record proves how left he really he.
This is what shocks me at how the Tea Party is losing it’s way. It’s really sad.
Losing it….they’ve lost it! Even the media thinks so. All of the candidates seem to be winning and the spells disorganized.
Once again, our selection is lame; what a mess. The “fabulous four leftovers” all seem weak and have very little to offer. Taking over the House is not working as expected either. I am now faced with not voting FOR someone, I’m just voting AGAINST someone. The Tea Party needs sharpen its recommendations (and very soon).
Sorry, meant to write “The Tea Party needs TO sharpen its recommendations (and very soon).
Thanks
I just don’t get it, how can you vote for a man like Gingrich, Romney I can understand, but Gingrich is adulterer, and has got into trouble accepting money, Gingrich is the sleaziest politician to come around in decades, how can you possibly stand behind someone so nasty? I’m just saying!
You are exactly right. I’m just agreeing!
I might add, in the primary, I won’t vote for either one of them.
Bottom line, supporting candidates at this point is a lot like playing poker. We don’t get to pick the cards we’re dealt. We can only react as intelligently as possible, as the game goes on.
Mitt v Newt. Mitt’s not reaching out to the Tea Party, Newt is, and has for some time. Organizationally, it makes more sense to back Newt. Newt did take over the House back in the day. Has Mitt done anything remotely simiilar for the conservative movement? No. Mitt’s a good turn-around manager with executive experience, but he seems to lack the vision to know we must return to a govvernment of unumerated powers. Newt has no executive experience. Newt was cleared of all the allegations of corruption. He has a penchant for turning down blind alleys, but he mostly seems to find his way out once he runs into the wall at the end. Mitt’s orchestrated slime operation againt Newt leaves a worse taste in my mouth than Newt’s recycling OWS rhetoric against Mitt.
Rick v Newt. In listening to their speeches this year, they can both speak from the heart (Mitt can’t). Rick is the more consistent. Can he win? Dunno. He lost a Senate bid in his home state. He has no executive experience. I like him more than Newt. In the general election, will he be Mr Rogers in that gang fight?
Polls. Mitt can beat Obama, Newt not so much, Rick who? It’s too early to start making decisions based on electability based on poll data. Maybe in a brokered convention this summer, but not now.
We’re the Tea Party. We have to win a national consensus in favor of Constitutionally limited government. We can’t win every battle. Ron knows he will lose, but he still wants his ideas heard and debated. I’d rather this primary go on through the summer for that reason. Pick whom you will now, but vote against Obama in November.
None of the Republican candidates are perfect.
Newt’s negatives
1. Divorces and ijnfidelity
2. Voted out as Speaker
3. Ethecs violations
Romney’s
1. He is a moderate
2. State run healthcare ( Obama’s Model )
3. He is the establishment candidate
4. George Sorros thinks there is very little distinction betweem him and Romney.
Santorim
1. Voted against right to work in his State
2. His electabilty is in question,
3. In some ways he is a unkown candidate.
YOU SEE ITS NOT HARD TO FIND SOME PROBLEMS.
WE HAVE TO COME TOGETHER BEHIND ONE OF THESE GUYS. LETS DON’T CAVE IN TO THE OLD ESTALISHMENT.
( the fact the old establihment hates Newt makes me think he can shake up Washington the way it needs to be shaken.
The way I see it is to agree with the author. We as a movement are 3 years old, and while we have shown great strides forward in organizing, we have to go with what is left in the Presidential field. The media assault that began in the fall last year (via their scheduled debates, orchestrated as assaults on Conservatives) has effectively left us few options, which I am sure the Main Stream Mediots are all laughing about. I believe we CAN make the laughing turn to tears of anguish, if we nominate Newt. I do not get the idea that his personal flaws disqualify him. Many men of great stature have had such flaws. Just look back at the the history of our Founders, and see how many of them were imperfect. Where Newt shines is in his ability to bring the debate to an understandable level. If we as patriots back him, it will repudiate the Leftist media, and turn the tables on them. They and their handlers of the establishment political class of self-proclaimed elite figure with Romney they can’t lose. Either Obama their puppet and fool get s re-elected, or Romney gets in, and they can still manipulate him as they do all Moderate Republicans. Newt will be the spoiler who ruins their day if he gets elected. Debating Obama would destroy the credibility of the Fool-in-Chief. The media, setting a standard of large numbers of debates, has stepped in a trap where Obama HAS to debate Newt or look weak and scared. We just need to put our collective efforts behind Gingrich, force Romney and the GOP establishment to the sidelines, and fight hard to remove the travesty that is Obama’s presidency.
I’ve been a member fro several years, I see all this nonsense and I want to know how to unbecome a tea party member? I am sick of getting donation emails constantly, I thought the tea party would be about change…not more fleecing of us…how many times do you expect people to donate? SHould I just start signing my accounts over to you? You are no better than the current government (which needs to change)…you bring no change, you flip flop backing candidates, try and take credit for changes affected by real Americans. All I see and hear is “give us mony so we can give you more rhetoric” in your emails and articles. here’s the deal, I already do that by paying taxes to the faux government we have now, I’m not giving you more money on top of that.
You see I dont have it, I am a veteran, I am disabled (not from my service), I am over 50 and am on a limited income. This I dont mind, I do not need a lot, I live well and I live well within my means. I already served my country, am I too give up what I have now and live on the streets to support your giving Americans false hope? Kindly remove me from the ranks of the tea party and stop sending me emails as I have heard and seen enough.
I can’t understand how the Tea Party can support Romney or Gingrich. If the Tea Parties three platform focus is Constitutionally Limited Government, Fiscal Responsibility and a Free Market, then there is only one candidate that truly supports that….Ron Paul.
Do your research on his views and accomplishments and you will soon begin to undertand that only Ron Paul
-wants to DRASTICALLY REDUCE THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF GOVERNMENT
-has always voted for a balanced and reduced budget
-is the most focused on a Free Market economy
-is the most Constitutionally focused Congressman of any of them, Rep or Dem
I will be voting my conscious and voting for the restoration of the greatness of these United States. The person that I believe can do that, or wants to do that, is Ron Paul. I would rather vote for someone I truly believe wants to make a positive change, rather then the lesser of two evils.
Don’t believe everything the media elite and the Replican politico machine wants you to believe about Ron Paul. He makes the most sense out of any of them.
Why is the Tea Party org supporting any one other than a PROVEN TRUE CONSERVATIVE, Ron Paul?
Look at their history. Mitt Romney is another OBAMA. Newt is the same old NEOCON. Just because they can spew the rhetoric, they have bamboozled everyone to think they are conservative/ Just look at their past performances since they first entered politics.
The Tea Party supporting anyone other than a true conservative, proves that this organization has been hijacked by the left wingers.
All i have to say is there is not one candidate right now who can beat obama. The more we fight amongst ourselves the less chance we have of finding a candidate who will have the support he needs to win the election. When this first started iIwas a big Cain supporter. I liked the fact that he was not a career politician, he was a business man and right now we need that. Just think for a moment how nearly all the financial problems our government faces could be solved by three things,
First: we need to stop importing oil. The North American continent has more oil than the middle east. If we were to stop buying middle eastern oil and refine our own not only would that weaken the economic power of the middle east it would stop or weaken the funding power of the terriorist organizations and insurgent forces. Not only that but it would raise our exports and lower our imports which would bring a huge surplus of wealth and jobs to our own soil.
Second: China has become a huge problem. Due to the high manufactoring taxes and the many other bills and laws that have been passed that make it hard for corporations to function in America many jobs has been sent over seas. This can be fixed, all that is needed is to stop free trade with China. If we could find someone who is willing to raise taxes on Chinnese goods and lower the taxes on manufactoring jobs here either one of two things would happen or maybe both. This would make it cheaper and more efficient to manufacture goods here so either corporations would move back to America or new corporations would open here. The reason this would work is that America is the largest consumer economy in the world and corporations will do anything to get their goods sold here. So if it cheaper here jobs will come here. This would also increase our exports and lower our imports.
Third: Federal Foreign Aid. this is free money that we are giving other nations to better them selves. you may think me heartless to want it gone but it is not the job of our government to look out for these countries. The job of our government is to protect and help its citizens not citizens in other nations. An example of this is: China buys American Debt or our bonds lets say they buy 1,000,000,000 dollars worth well that means later on down the road we will have to pay the chinnese gov’t back with intrest. Instead of using that money to help out American we are the turning around and giving this money back to them to help out with the poor there and they owe us nothing in return. We can not afford this.
in my personal opinion none of the republican are a great choice for president but i can guarentee that any of them are a better choice than Obama. But if i had it my way i would like for Donald Trump to run for president the first and second reasons i gave are his positions
You’re giving Obama way too much credit. Let’s all make a pact to support whoever the nominee is and we’ll be just fine. The economy, foreign policy, religion, gay marriage, unemployment… they’re all taking a back seat this election. 2012 is about socialized medicine. The information below should be circulated beyond the TPP comfort zone. People really need to understand this bill. If enough people are informed and the only possibility of getting it repealed is to vote against Obama, we will prevail. The following exchange at a hearing prompted me to really start looking at this bill. It’s not good. It’s obvious that many elected officials voted for this without reading it, because nobody in their right mind would have voted for this.
Chief Medicare Actuary: Richard Foster’s response to questions at a hearing.
McCLINTOCK: True or false: The two principle promises that were made in support of Obamacare were one, that it would hold costs down. True or false?
FOSTER: I would say false, more so than true.
McCLINTOCK: The other promise was the promise that if you like your plan, you can keep it. True or false?
FOSTER: Not true in all cases.
Some of the facts behind Richard Foster’s comments regarding people keeping their current plans are:
-14 million employees will lose their employer plan.
-80% of small businesses won’t be able to keep their current plan.
-More than 100 million people will be forced into a more costly, more regulated health plan.
On cost:
-$5,800 for an individual (in 2016)
-$15,200 for a family of four (in 2016)
-In the government exchange, the out-of-pocket premium will be limited to a percent of your income up
to about $43,000 ($88,000 for a family).
-If you earn more than that, you will have to pay the full premium yourself.
-There will be no new subsidies if you get insurance at work, but your premium may be limited to a percent of your income.
-More than half of the cost of reform will be paid for by reduced spending on the elderly and disabled on Medicare.
-New taxes on drugs and medical devices, such as wheelchairs, pacemakers, artificial joints, etc.
-40% tax on “Cadillac” plans.
-Scores of other items will be taxed, ranging from tanning salons to the sale of your home, in some case
-The AGI threshold is being increased from 7.5% to 10%. This will directly increase taxes for people that itemize their healthcare costs on their Form 1040 Schedule A. This sounds like a tax hike on the middle class.